Im not sure about that. But, I do think that Kaori is feeling the extra pressure of being the top skater of the quad going into the Olympics. Just ask Michelle Kwan about that.
2025-26 Grand Prix Final Women's Short Program
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Absolutely not.
That skate is clearly landing at least 1/4 turn past the takeoff angle. I don't know how people constantly have trouble looking at basic 90 degree angles.
Not going use up more spacing posting Chiba's Lutz, but her skate is definitely in the air still at the 1/4 turn mark.
They're not having trouble looking at 90 degree angles - they're having trouble with knowing where exactly they should look at the landing. I'm fairly sure most online folk think touching down with the toe pick is what the landing should be (which is constantly poorly determined on video to begin) - whereas a proper landing happens when there's weight on the ice.
People need to bear in mind that pointing your toe as you land is proper technique - landing flatfooted would cause injuries - but simply because it looks like your toe's touching the ice doesn't mean you've already landed.
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I wanted to give Kaori a big hug!Oh no I can't bear to see Kaori being sad
All the best to ALL of the women in the free skate!
Please direct me to anywhere in the tech manuals or scoring sheets where this is stated. I would be happy if that is the case if it was judged that way for everyone. Because I see some skaters hardly ever get called regardless of how short they land and others called for the slightest early touch of the toepick. The main problem here is that its impossible to prove rotation from still photos. They are more deceptive than anything. You have no way to tell line of travel or the direction on instant of landing from stills. Because of accepted pre rotation, where the skate leaves the ice is not the line of travel. Most skaters are only in the air for less than 2.5 turns on triple jumps. That means line of travel can be anywhere within 180 degrees of where the skate is pointing when it leaves the ice, depending on amount of pre rotation. Those pics are not even close to takeoff or landing on top of that. But, again, please show me where to find that rule, because I have looked and cant find it.
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No one can convince anyone how jumps are landed. It is known this is how you land.
We don't disagree on this part at all - TP plays favorites.
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Sorry, but her lack of flow in that jump just proves her jump was not rotated at all. Any other skater would have been deducted for that landing, Yuna Aoki, for example. Did you actually see the slow motion? The skate clearly finished rotating on the ice.Absolutely not.
That skate is clearly landing at least 1/4 turn past the takeoff angle. I don't know how people constantly have trouble looking at basic 90 degree angles.
Not going use up more spacing posting Chiba's Lutz, but her skate is definitely in the air still at the 1/4 turn mark.
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Good luck Mone
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Oh no Rinky is back
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Mone mistakes are creeping in. I feel bad lovely skater
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It will be interesting how play out
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Did Mone skate medal or win or off.
This is not any sort of evidence for anything. Skaters don't flow out of jumps for many reasons.
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That is NOT how you measure rotation. Flow is a separate quality.
Almost all jumps land short of perfectly backwards, and a harder and more visible turn on the ice during landing is often more about where the body weight is at. Like on her 3Loop, her body is more forward as she lands and that's causing the blade to dig into the ice more as she's landing.
Yes we do. It's plain as day. Her skate is pointing diagonal towards the back board on takeoff and it lands pointing diagonal away from the back board. A 1/4 turn. Not hard to understand at all. The "line of travel" is irrelevant to this jump, because she's clearly not pre-rotating less than 1/2 a turn.
These girls rotate very fast. Your pics are not even close to time of leaving the ice or landing. That's why they can look clean in real speed, but obviously short in slo mo. She spins the skate in a blink of an eye. So does Mone. Liu in particular on takeoff will do almost 2/3 of a turn on the ice. It's sad that she gets away with it, but they allow it, so who can blame her?
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Yes they are. I took them when reviewing the footage at 1/10th speed. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Speed limit is 55. Woman is driving 50. "It's sad she gets away with it, so who can blame her?" These repeated attempts at firing propaganda bullets at skaters are not fooling anyone.
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I hope the skaters never have to read such unpleasant comments such as this. This is such an unkind, unnecessary, and untrue comment. Weak? Amber is not weak in any way. She can do a jump that few senior women will attempt, and she openly and bravely shares her struggles which is an inspiration and example to so many.
Also the 3A is Not “all she has”. She has many lovely skating qualities that her numerous fans appreciate and love. I particularly love this beautiful short program for her.
Making mistakes is not “weak”. Everyone does, Kaori, Ilia, Yuma, the best skaters and athletes make mistakes. It is no reflection of their strength or worth.
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