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Adelina may want to work hard to correct that flutz before she moves to seniors. The older you get, the tougher to fix.
I don't recall there ever being a mandatory -3 GOE for edge calls, only a -1 on top of what the judge was originally intending on giving the jump.
Case in point, the same event from 2 years ago:
http://www.isuresults.com/results/jgpgbr2008/jgpgbr08_JuniorLadies_SP_Scores.pdf
http://www.isuresults.com/results/jgpgbr2008/jgpgbr08_JuniorLadies_FS_Scores.pdf
You'll notice that the only time the skaters get -3 GOEs across the board on a jump off of the wrong edge is when they have a fall.
http://www.usfsa.org/Content/ISU Comm 1611.pdf
ISU rule:
Starting from wrong edge in F/Lz (sign “e”) -2 to -3 (must be)
Mao Asada always got -2 or -3 on her flutz. This girl got a -0.5 or -0.6? Time to start cracking.
The case you pointed out, the judging was also wrong, but at least the -GOE was between -1 and -2.
OK, got the number wrong, but it's still -2 or -3 from what would have been otherwise given to that jump (e.g. the judge giving a -1 for a flutz is indicating, that, if the jump had a correct take-off, it would have received either a +1 or +2).
To clear up what seems to be the confusion:
N.B.: the difference between "-3 GOE" and "-3"; while the former indicates that each judge needs to give a -3 for GOE, the latter indicates that each judge needs to subtract 3 GOE from what would have otherwise been given for that element.
On Mao Asada, since she didn't get the dreaded "e" during the 2008-09 season (just FYI, she got -3's across the board during 2008 TEB SP due to the "SP: One or more rev. less than required" clause, not due to the "!" warning), let's go back to 2007-08:
2007 SC, -1.6 in the SP (judges gave -1 through -3), -1.4 in the FS (judges gave -1 through -3);
2007 TEB, -1.0 in the SP (judges gave -1 through -3), -1.2 in the FS (judges gave 0 through -2);
2007 GPF, missed the lutz completely in the SP, -1.0 in the SP (judges gave -1 through -2);
2008 FCC, -2.57 in the SP (judges gave -2 through -3), -1.14 in the FS (judges gave -1 through -2);
2008 WC, -1.57 in the SP (judges gave -1 through -3), -1.29 in the SP (judges gave -1 through -2).
In short, no, Mao Asada only got in the "Mao Asada always got -2 or -3 on her flutz" only holds true for one program out of that season (2008 FS, SP). Shows that judges were never required to give a "-3", only to subtract 3 from whatever GOE they would have given otherwise.
i love adelina's lp more and more!
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Regarding the edge call, the final GOE must be in the -2 to -3. Not subtracting 3 from whatever GOE they would have gotten.
Say, Adam Rippon does his lutz with a spread eagle entrance, with both hand over his head, with a long hang time on air, with speed and height, but he also takes off with an inside edge.
According to my understand of what you said, he would have +3 -2/3 = +1/0 GOE with an edge call.
According to the rule, he still should be in the -2 to -3 GOE.
That's not correct.
With the example of Rippon, he should receive only +2 GOE for the difficult entrance, hands over the head and the rest and -2/3 GOE for the wrong edge and the final GOE could be 0 or -1.
The rules say - final GOE on the flutz cannot be positive. Not sure if it can be zero.
With the example of Rippon, if he falls on the lutz, he would get -3 GOE, not +2 GOE -3 = -1 GOE.
Anyway, the judges who gave + GOE should explain themselves.