Really? I thought it went really well with her nocturn program. 3f-3t would've created awkwardness to the overall flow in that program. But you're right that there's no flow between two jumps. I just think it works really well for some programs like nocturn or Miki's scheherazade.
Mao and Nerves
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Really? I thought it went really well with her nocturn program. 3f-3t would've created awkwardness to the overall flow in that program. But you're right that there's no flow between two jumps. I just think it works really well for some programs like nocturn or Miki's scheherazade.
The lack of flow seems to make it really difficult to catch the right timing. But I LOVE watching a loop
, (even more so because I was bad at it
).Back to the topic, it would be perhaps relieving for Mao if she can at least feel that she has several choices that she could go for (e.g., replacing 3F-3L with 3L-3L or 3F-3T or incorporating 3A). It would feel quite constraining if she thinks that she has no way but to do the current content that hasn't been successful so far.
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I love Mao's 3l as her second jump, and I think it is more exciting to watch because of the lack of flow. I noticed Mira leung has some flow with her second loop jump in her combo, but it looks a bit awkward to me. Maybe just me.
Does anyone think that the ordering of jumps is affecting her nerves? She has to start her entire competition with the most feared 3F-3L, which she has been missing since the Worlds. That would be quite scary indeed. She looks painful at the beginning of the program. She had a 3Lz last season before 3F-3L and looked happy when she landed the latter. I wasn't even aware at that time that it could be a difficult jump for her.
Would you think that the team will keep going or do something else, e.g., change the jump contents or the ordering of jumps?
Would you think that the team will keep going or do something else, e.g., change the jump contents or the ordering of jumps?
I guess Tarasova won't be so happy if Arturnian messes around with her program LOL. But team Mao should go for whatever works the best. Personally, I think it's her nerves more than the ordering. Most ladies are doing combo as their first elements, so why would Mao find it that difficult? She's capable, and I believe she's quite familiar with this program. She just needs to calm herself.
Yeah, it seems mostly her nerves. But that really seems to be a difficult part. I imagine that Mao herself wouldn't know why she has this heavy mental block in this particular combo which she can land perfectly fine in practices. It's a pain for me to see little Mao in pain over and again.
But given that they persisted on 3A out of steps last year, they may keep going and eventually overcome it at Nationals or Worlds. I just hope for the best senario.
It's clearly a mental block. She's said as much herself. I would love to see her do 3A out of brackets, 3f-3l and 2A in the SP.
Erm.....just not this season
Maybe she could try it at a cheesefest where it doesn't really matter. It's a risky program but she's more than capable of it.
Erm.....just not this season
Maybe she could try it at a cheesefest where it doesn't really matter. It's a risky program but she's more than capable of it.But that was back in Juniors. She just tried 3T 3 times recently and it got downgraded only once, when she messed up the timing at Worlds.
I would be sad to see 3F-3L go in the SP, it has amazing rhytm and it's impressive how much height she gets on the second triple. When done perfectly, it has more flow out than some of the 3F/Lz-3T of the other skaters.
And I just loved it in the Nocturne program when she went up in the air on both jumps perfectly in time with music.
A very nice interview with Mao (concerning her nerves, among other things) can be found here:
http://maoasada.logu2.com/mao-chat-f5/asada-mao-sixteen-t57.htm
Personally I think that the jump order in the SP contributes to Mao's problem. I think it would be really beneficial for her if 3-3 was moved somewhere later in the program.
A lot of skaters prefers to have the difficult jumps in the beginning of the program, because they are afraid that lack of stamina could negatively affect them later.
But Mao's stamina seems to be exceptionally good - even since she was a junior she has never had problems placing difficult jumps in the second half of the program and/or immediately after some elements that are tiring. On the contrary, it always seemed that after she got the ball rolling, she skated like she could not be stopped.
So, I think that it would really be better for her if she was allowed some time to shake her nerves out.It reminds me of my performances in the local theatre when I was a student. Usually before the performances I used to be so nervous that I had troubles stuttering anything out. However, when the performance stated, I gradually calmed down, was able to connect to the audience and realize that in fact no one is throwing rotten tomatoes in my general direction. It was all I needed to get rid of the nerves and just enjoy the experience.
Or, even more vividly so, of that guy from "On the Edge" who would throw up for 10 minutes during a hockey match, but was totally fine after that.
Throwing up aside, I like floskate's idea. Seeing it, even at cheesefest, would be awsome.
I think Mao is handling her nerves just about right. They just judged the short harder this year is all.She might be able to handle it better, but she is doing fine.
As far as nerves, I think I would worry more about Yu-na Kim than Mao,
I noticed this year, even though the scores don't showed it. Yu-Na Kim is skating more sloppy, (by that I mean not stretching --sure the back has something to do with it, but her landings are also a little bit more suspect.) She also isn't projecting herself this year. She is holding a bit in. She looks more worried going onto the ice than last year. She fails her arms more--doesn't look like they belong to the music--just put the failing in to look good.
Mao does look that way in the short but in the long she relaxes and lets her program flow more. Mao fails but not as bad as yu-na
Personally i don't think any of the ladies presently skating can handle the nerves well.
As far as nerves, I think I would worry more about Yu-na Kim than Mao,
I noticed this year, even though the scores don't showed it. Yu-Na Kim is skating more sloppy, (by that I mean not stretching --sure the back has something to do with it, but her landings are also a little bit more suspect.) She also isn't projecting herself this year. She is holding a bit in. She looks more worried going onto the ice than last year. She fails her arms more--doesn't look like they belong to the music--just put the failing in to look good.
Mao does look that way in the short but in the long she relaxes and lets her program flow more. Mao fails but not as bad as yu-na
Personally i don't think any of the ladies presently skating can handle the nerves well.
Well. I don't think not landing cleanly a combo in SP for the entire season, especially when she is landing it just fine in practices and in the second half of LP, is a good show of handling the nerves well. Missing 3Lz looked to be more of a case of bad luck and uneven ice, but the whole 3-3 situation doesn't look right at all, IMHO. I would definitely change the jump layout if I were Arutunian.
(And I don't think Tarasova would mind... In fact she said that the current jump layout is all wrong and should be changed. I don't think it was her idea in the first place. She loved the LP, OTOH.)
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Gosh, are we even seeing the same skaters?
Mao is handling her nerve just about right??
They just judged the short harder this year??? (Mao getting 59 with complete omission of her flutz at GPF SP)
Yuna Kim is skating more sloppy????
Mao fails but not as bad as Yuna?????
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fairly4, I agree with you to some extents.
This season Yuna's been able to nail the jumps even more ginormously thanks to her physical training, i.e. stamina. And as far as nerves go, Yuna too looks nervous like hell. I think I can sense that since I have observed Yuna's training which was on Korean media during the off-season, and her jumps were even more ON with beautiful running out edge when practicing.
And like you mentioned, Yuna seems to be little disconnected with the music when she's nervous. That does affect her overall presentation, even Yuna said she was not happy at all with her presentation after scoring big at CoR. And I expect Yuna to overcome this since she knows it better than anybody else that she should sell the program.
OTOH I'm sooo relieved that the nervosity doesn't seem to affect her jumping ability, you know at least she lands most of the jumps this season and high GOEs are guaranteed if she lands it.
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So for me, not much worries.
Though she is nervous on the ice, I think she has the mentality to control her nerves and at the end of the day it's all that counts.
This season Yuna's been able to nail the jumps even more ginormously thanks to her physical training, i.e. stamina. And as far as nerves go, Yuna too looks nervous like hell. I think I can sense that since I have observed Yuna's training which was on Korean media during the off-season, and her jumps were even more ON with beautiful running out edge when practicing.
And like you mentioned, Yuna seems to be little disconnected with the music when she's nervous. That does affect her overall presentation, even Yuna said she was not happy at all with her presentation after scoring big at CoR. And I expect Yuna to overcome this since she knows it better than anybody else that she should sell the program.
OTOH I'm sooo relieved that the nervosity doesn't seem to affect her jumping ability, you know at least she lands most of the jumps this season and high GOEs are guaranteed if she lands it.
. So for me, not much worries.
Though she is nervous on the ice, I think she has the mentality to control her nerves and at the end of the day it's all that counts.
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maybe it is the terosova effect. A few people on this board have said that terosova makes inconsistant jumpers, and here is Mao proving them right. Tataian chreographed Moa's SP, not her LP. The SP is a beautiful program... on e of my favorites if not thee favorite of the year. But perhaps the deatil and copmlicted steps distract the skater from the jumps. Mao has yet to do a clean SP. and with yu-na being unbeatable this season... things don't look that good heading into worlds.
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Mao fails but not as bad as Yuna?????
If you read fairly4's post carefully, you can tell either she's not careful enough in typing or her English is not perfect. With that in mind, if you look again at the two places where she used the word "fails", it's not difficult for you to realize that he/she meant to say "flails (her arms)" instead of "fails."
Champs thank you for pointing out my spelling mistakes . I meant flails not fails. I was a in a bit of hurry went typing that. I will try to make sure i use my spell check from now on.
Mao handles it better because when she messes up, she comes back fighting.
Yu-Na kim when she didn't have any pressure on her last year had very few minor mistakes such as downgrading of jumps , or ice fling off the ice when she lands. Where this year it has been noted she stated she was nervous at the beginning of Cup of China due to it being her first skate and the judging skating in the long-thus her disconnect with the audience and her downgrades at the competitions and her not doing her normal stretching of the elements like she did last year.
Mao is handling it better in the long by not making so many minor mistakes, she still needs to handle it better in the short program though.
Mao handles it better because when she messes up, she comes back fighting.
Yu-Na kim when she didn't have any pressure on her last year had very few minor mistakes such as downgrading of jumps , or ice fling off the ice when she lands. Where this year it has been noted she stated she was nervous at the beginning of Cup of China due to it being her first skate and the judging skating in the long-thus her disconnect with the audience and her downgrades at the competitions and her not doing her normal stretching of the elements like she did last year.
Mao is handling it better in the long by not making so many minor mistakes, she still needs to handle it better in the short program though.
I don't know Fairly. At Skate Canada, Mao only attempted 5 triples, so she should make less mistakes than Yu-na's 7 triple attempt, and she had a downgraded jump.
In Trophy Bombard, Mao did fall on her triple axel, and hit only 5 triples, whereas Yu-na did 7 triples..
In the GPF, Mao was much better in the long, but then again, Mao had nothing to lose at that point, seeing as she was 5 points behind Yu-na. Still Yu-na has averaged more triples than Mao in the long this season. I suspect though that Mao is going to have huge confidence after her amazing long, but I also think that Yu-na's going to develop some confidence as well. She fell, but she was still less than a half point behind Mao in the long. That's got to give Yu-na Kim some confidence going into worlds, it would give me confidence.
In Trophy Bombard, Mao did fall on her triple axel, and hit only 5 triples, whereas Yu-na did 7 triples..
In the GPF, Mao was much better in the long, but then again, Mao had nothing to lose at that point, seeing as she was 5 points behind Yu-na. Still Yu-na has averaged more triples than Mao in the long this season. I suspect though that Mao is going to have huge confidence after her amazing long, but I also think that Yu-na's going to develop some confidence as well. She fell, but she was still less than a half point behind Mao in the long. That's got to give Yu-na Kim some confidence going into worlds, it would give me confidence.
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YuNa has not gotten a single UR or edge calls this season compared to Mao's at least 3 UR and consistent flutz edge calls. Mao also 2 footed her jumps in her GPF LP. Let's be fair here before claiming that one skater is a fighter over another skater.
I don't know Mao's nerves are stronger or weaker than Yuna's or other skaters'.
But it would be really great if Mao was able to gain confidence after the greatest performance from her this season so far:agree:
She says in an interview that her success rate in 3F-3L in practices is not differert from the last season and that she thinks that she will be fine if she could control the nerves.
I feel that she will be able to do her SP well at Nationals:agree:
But it would be really great if Mao was able to gain confidence after the greatest performance from her this season so far:agree:
She says in an interview that her success rate in 3F-3L in practices is not differert from the last season and that she thinks that she will be fine if she could control the nerves.
I feel that she will be able to do her SP well at Nationals:agree:
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