Mao Asada
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Two solo 3Axels? That has always been the issue with that layout; it takes up a combination pass for just an extra 2Toe (unless some miracle has occurred over the summer).
Mao did try the 3A just after the second half in late 2010, but she popped it into a 1A or A every time. Of course at that time she had other things to worry about.
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8 triples has always been her goal. I think 1x 3A will do. She did try 2x 3As for Rach2 and that didn't go well. If she does 2 of them the choreography will also suffer. What I'm really hoping for this season is that her jumps will be more stable and more confidence from her. I know she can do it.
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I'm not saying I'm in support of two 3a in the FS but was just adding to the notion of "if" she would include them which was posted right before me. But didn't Liza say she is going for two 3a's in the FS? Clearly there is some incentive to do it.
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Mr. Sato did apparently say last seek that things are going smoothly in terms of technique and that they are more concerned about stamina issues, which they will work on after the shows are over. I don't think we've heard that one before (stamina has been Mao's forts), so the jump layout must be tough indeed.
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Maybe for her, there is incentive because seeing as she didn't do a 3lutz-3toeloop or 3flip-3toeloop last season, she probably can't do a 3-3 that is more difficult than a 3toeloop-3toeloop right now. Plus, Mishin apparently doesn't care about choreography so he wouldn't mind that two triple axels at the beginning would negatively impact her PCS. Even if he did, Liza's PCS potential is pretty low anyways, so I guess it makes sense to do a second triple axel for her. Plus, that layout would enable Liza to basically focus her training on keeping the triple axel, which, seeing as the most difficult years in a figureskater's life is coming up for her now, makes sense---generally speaking, girls have their worst period between 18/19~21/22 years of age. That's when they fill in sideways (and I'm not talking about fat, I'm talking about bone and muscle).
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I'm waiting for The ICE videos to surface...ooooh. I can't wait to see Mao skating again.
I don't think it will be 2 3As, I think Mao will be more realistic and concentrate on a 3-3 and a 1Lo-3S combo instead, her spins and steps are all objectively better than Liza so there is no need to go ham and try 2 3As which will be super scrutinized by the judge. She can also make up for more with PCs, the jump layout hurrah posted looks good
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Today’s news about THE ICE at Sapporo. Mao and other skaters are preparing. Mao showed up live!
arty:
https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x2ymlpf
arty:https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x2ymlpf
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Today’s news about THE ICE at Sapporo. Mao and other skaters are preparing. Mao showed up live!
https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x2ymlpf
Thank you for the link. Mao seems to be really fine and we can see Kanako there too that’s great!
Back in June Nobuo Sato said that they plan to continue to work on improving 3Lz, although it might take some time to fix it completely. (They stopped trying to fix it at Worlds 2013, as it was more important to stabilize 3A/3F/3-3/2A-3T for the Olympic season.)
Mao's sister Mai also talked about Mao's goal to do 8 triples in her LP again this season. Source: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2yk6pm_0719-姉だけが知る-浅田真央_sport
It's impossible to do an 8-triple LP without having a full set of triples, so I don't think Mao is going to take 3Lz out of her LP.
Technically, she could replace it with 2A. It would be a bit risky (if she ever doubled her 3A, she'd have to single the 2A in the 2A-3T combo to avoid Zayaking), but possible. That said, I don't think it's very likely she's do it, unless fixing the 3Lz would render it very unstable and she needed to place well in a particular competition for some reason (making the World team, etc.).
Liza's choreo isn't very intricate and she seems to have stamina issues in the 2nd half (at WTT when she did 3A in the LP she ended up having lower TES than Satoko due to small, but costly mistakes). Getting a nice point cushion right at the beginning of the program might be more comfortable for her than trying to boost her score with a different 3-3 than 3T-3T or improved choreo/spins.
Judging from the video of her LP (in progress) the users at FSU are predicting that her layout might be: 3A, 3A-2T, 3Lz, 3Lo, 3T-3T(x), 3F(x), 3S-2T-2Lo(x). That said, this layout isn't particularly powerful in terms of base value: it's worth 52.94.
Mao's 8-triple (one 3A) layout is actually worth a bit more: 53.5 (thanks to the additional 2A, repeating 3F and 3L and having more jumps in the 2nd half). The difference will be made by GoE and non-jump elements, so IMHO it's better for Mao to concentrate on improving her stamina and improving her 3Lz.
Sadly, I'm not hopeful we'll get to see Mao's x-1L-3S combo in a competition this season, under the current rules, it's completely worthless for the woman skaters.
A trick question, what could be worth more:
1. An 8 triple program (including two combos ending with a triple) + one double Axel,
2. An 8-triple program (including 3 combos ending with a triple) + two double Axels?
3A, 3F-3L, 3Lz, 2A-3T(x), 3S(x), 3F-2L-2L(x), 3L(x) = 53.5
3A, 3F-3L, 2A-1L-3S, 2A-3T(x), 3Lz(x), 3F(x), 3L(x) = 53.5
CoP magic: despite the second layout being obviously much more difficult, the skater would gain literally effing nothing. Oh, and what if the skater wanted to go for 3F-1L-3S instead?
3A, 3F-3L, 3F-1L-3S, 2A-3T(x), 3Lz(x), 2A(x), 3L(x) = 53.3
In short: a ridiculously risky layout for literally no reward at all. Under the current rules, it's much better for the ladies to do a 3-2-2 in the second half...
Actually, I forgot about the program the fans had voted for!
Confirmed programs so far:- her EX,
- one of her old programs chosen by the votes of the fans,
- a group number with Joannie and Carolina,
- a pair number with Jeff.
I'm not sure if she'll have any stamina left to skate one more program
:I'm really curious about which old program had won. I'd say Nocturne, Jupiter or Rach, but those were skated fairly recently, so I wouldn't be surprised if more fans voted for one of the older programs. Caprices? Por Una Cabeza? I don't think it's a LP, unless it's a shortened version...
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Very informative post inskate:thumbsup:
Thank You!
Thank You!
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Thanks @inskate for detailed report! I didn’t know Mao has already a lot to perform! She can’t afford to do SP other than those! (oh, it means SP won’t show up till GPS? It’s too far! She is planning to go to some challenger serious? (But she has JO..)). How will be the creation of Jeff and Mao? Cant wait to see!
When I hear about recent rule change of 3T vb up, it will work in advantage for Liza who can do 3T3T in the second half respectively stably.. Do you think the change will give some influence on Ladies layout overall this season?:scratch:
I can’t take a pick from the dozens I want her to show again! But I’d rather older programs since it will be interesting how she’s matured. Mao has been competing except last year, so many programs had been created year after year.
When I hear about recent rule change of 3T vb up, it will work in advantage for Liza who can do 3T3T in the second half respectively stably.. Do you think the change will give some influence on Ladies layout overall this season?:scratch:
I can’t take a pick from the dozens I want her to show again! But I’d rather older programs since it will be interesting how she’s matured. Mao has been competing except last year, so many programs had been created year after year.
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Thank you, inskate, for the detailed analysis. I had not added up the points of the possible layouts and did not realize there would be no point difference. Well, actually, sticking to her previous layout will be less stressful for Mao due to its familiarity, and I agree working on the lutz is probably the most important thing now. If she can get a stable lutz, then Pyeongchang can come any day.
Too bad that we won't get to see her do a 1loop-3salchow, though.
And yes, it's THE ICE today!
Too bad that we won't get to see her do a 1loop-3salchow, though.
And yes, it's THE ICE today!
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Am I the only one who isn't too keen in seeing her do a -1loop-3salchow combination? I think they look clumsy and her solo triple salchow looks gorgeous as is.
I've always thought that her current FS layout was more than sufficient; it's like smarter version of her 2007-2008 layout plus a triple salchow.
I've always thought that her current FS layout was more than sufficient; it's like smarter version of her 2007-2008 layout plus a triple salchow.
Photos from The Ice are out! Here's Mao's costume for Puttin' On the Ritz
Will she wear this in competition? I love it when ladies wear suits but this one's a miss
Will she wear this in competition? I love it when ladies wear suits but this one's a miss
