Men OGM Contenders 2018

[gmyers]

yes, I don´t understand why Boyang is with The Others

It's not like Jin is a bronze medalist because of amazing strength it's because of others mistakes.

Follow up question on my last post: Will there ever be a quadless Mens medalist at the Olympics? Even Worlds?

Of course! The system doesn't recognize jumps just numbers. Someone will get the points to medal without a quad. It almost happened in worlds with brown. Also In the United States brown has won the title and medals without quads.

 

[Tavi...]

Look....I'm old OK.. But yes, it was in fact, 2011 that I saw them live. However, I've seen them on TV several times. I love Jason and if he can land a quad in each program, I'm all for him being 7th. I am not however, ready to see him defeat any of the top 6 at Worlds. In fact, I'm not ready to see him defeat a clean Adam Rippon unless he lands a quad in each of his programs.

Have you forgotten that Jason was 7th at Worlds this year without landing a quad in either program, and that he received the highest score ever for a quadless short program?

Have you also forgotten that he beat Adam three times this year in international competition, without clean quads?

 

[Violet Bliss]

It's not like Jin is a bronze medalist because of amazing strength it's because of others mistakes.

He has amazing strength in quads, especially the 4Lz combo. Mistakes by contenders is part of the competition. Repeat Worlds medals is not a flute. He had the content and brought it when some others didn't, the way D10 had done to win his Olympic and Worlds medals.

Of course! The system doesn't recognize jumps just numbers.

And Quads mean big numbers.

Someone will get the points to medal without a quad. It almost happened in worlds with brown.

7th place is pretty far from a medal.

eta. Are you implying Brown could beat Jin?

Also In the United States brown has won the title and medals without quads.

What happens in the US Nationals stays in the US Nationals.

et: Are you implying Brown could beat Jin?

 

[mrrice]

Tavi.........Trust Me......I haven't forgotten. Like I said, I don't have a problem with Jason or his skating. Take Nationals...Jason was spectacular however, he was IMO, rightly placed 3rd losing to two skaters who had multiple quads. After seeing Nathan skate over the Summer he remains the clear favorite going into the new season. Nathan, Vincent, Grant, and Joshua have all landed clean quads in competition. Jason has landed some clean quad toes and that's great. If Ricky and Adam return healthy, it deepens the field immensely. Our current depth is great for the sport and I'll be happy for any skater who makes the team.

 

[el henry]

Tavi.........Trust Me......I haven't forgotten. Like I said, I don't have a problem with Jason or his skating. Take Nationals...Jason was spectacular however, he was IMO, rightly placed 3rd losing to two skaters who had multiple quads. After seeing Nathan skate over the Summer he remains the clear favorite going into the new season. Nathan, Vincent, Grant, and Joshua have all landed clean quads in competition. Jason has landed some clean quad toes and that's great. If Ricky and Adam return healthy, it deepens the field immensely. Our current depth is great for the sport and I'll be happy for any skater who makes the team.

Mr Rice, we all have our favorites, no one has a problem with that. We should all cheer for them, loudly

But, other than Nathan and Vincent (whom of course Jason only faced once in senior competition, US Nats, when Jason was skating injured and walking in a boot) Jason has *consistently* beaten all the men you talk about.

He has finished in front of Adam in every single head to head comp since 2014. He has finished in front of Josh. He has finished in front of Grant. Now, I like all our US men, and I love me some Adam, Josh and Grant. Where I have the issue is that landing a quad in practice, or in one comp, does not automatically make that skater a favorite instead of Jason.

And what happened when Jason and Josh were in juniors isn't relevant, or else Shotaro would still be in the mix

But we all agree, let the season begin, and let the skaters show us what they can do!:agree:

 

[icybear]

It's not like Jin is a bronze medalist because of amazing strength it's because of others mistakes.

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LOL! What garbage! You're saying he's not a worthy winner because he had to rely on others and not on himself. Boyang score at Worlds was higher than any score Javier and Chan did all season and Chen only beat Boyang score once at 4cc by about 4 pts. He performed 2 clean skates when everyone else messed up one or both of their skates. Does that not require any strength at all? If you don't have the mentality in you then you don't win anything even if you could land a quint jump everyday in practice. You would say that Yuzuru is not a worthy Olympic winner because he only won because his mistakes were less costly than Chan's.

 

[gmyers]

He has amazing strength in quads, especially the 4Lz combo. Mistakes by contenders is part of the competition. Repeat Worlds medals is not a flute. He had the content and brought it when some others didn't, the way D10 had done to win his Olympic and Worlds medals.



And Quads mean big numbers.



7th place is pretty far from a medal.

eta. Are you implying Brown could beat Jin?



What happens in the US Nationals stays in the US Nationals.

et: Are you implying Brown could beat Jin?

Brown has been high as fourth! I absolutely believe it! Brown could outscore not just Jin but hanyu too!

Olympic bronze medals can be flukes! Cadelero?

LOL! What garbage! You're saying he's not a worthy winner because he had to rely on others and not on himself. Boyang score at Worlds was higher than any score Javier and Chan did all season and Chen only beat Boyang score once at 4cc by about 4 pts. He performed 2 clean skates when everyone else messed up one or both of their skates. Does that not require any strength at all? If you don't have the mentality in you then you don't win anything even if you could land a quint jump everyday in practice. You would say that Yuzuru is not a worthy Olympic winner because he only won because his mistakes were less costly than Chan's.

Worth has nothing to do with it! Just what happens happens! It is what it is!

 

[mrrice]

Mr Rice, we all have our favorites, no one has a problem with that. We should all cheer for them, loudly

But, other than Nathan and Vincent (whom of course Jason only faced once in senior competition, US Nats, when Jason was skating injured and walking in a boot) Jason has *consistently* beaten all the men you talk about.

He has finished in front of Adam in every single head to head comp since 2014. He has finished in front of Josh. He has finished in front of Grant. Now, I like all our US men, and I love me some Adam, Josh and Grant. Where I have the issue is that landing a quad in practice, or in one comp, does not automatically make that skater a favorite instead of Jason.

And what happened when Jason and Josh were in juniors isn't relevant, or else Shotaro would still be in the mix

But we all agree, let the season begin, and let the skaters show us what they can do!:agree:

Sotaro was so cute back then. He is MUCH taller now but I still like his style. This is going to be a big year for the US Men. I believe Alexei and Andrew are both staying in the Juniors so, we have a deep field and it looks like we'll have strong skaters for the upcoming season and well beyond.

 

[icybear]

Worth has nothing to do with it! Just what happens happens! It is what it is!

You're saying he's only the bronze medalist because of others mistakes not because of his strengths so you're basically saying he didn't win it by himself i.e. he's not a worthy winner.

 

[Violet Bliss]

Brown has been high as fourth! I absolutely believe it! Brown could outscore not just Jin but hanyu too!

Olympic bronze medals can be flukes! Cadelero?

He won them, in person doing his things, twice.

 

[Tavi...]

Tavi.........Trust Me......I haven't forgotten. Like I said, I don't have a problem with Jason or his skating. Take Nationals...Jason was spectacular however, he was IMO, rightly placed 3rd losing to two skaters who had multiple quads. After seeing Nathan skate over the Summer he remains the clear favorite going into the new season. Nathan, Vincent, Grant, and Joshua have all landed clean quads in competition. Jason has landed some clean quad toes and that's great. If Ricky and Adam return healthy, it deepens the field immensely. Our current depth is great for the sport and I'll be happy for any skater who makes the team.

Mrrice, I don't think there's anything else I can say without completely derailing the thread, which isnt after all about the US men or Jason specifically. I hope you enjoy the season.

 

[Interspectator]

I'm a Boyang supporter! He's a podium favorite because he knows his strengths and weaknesses and is improving every season. His technical content is waaay up there and he can deliver towards the end of the season. His bronze medals are not flukes, they are the proof that his strategy was smart and within his ability to perform perfectly when the pressure was on. Go Boyang!

 

[brens78]

As long as Javi and Jin are on the podium then I'm happy

 

[Skater Boy]

Brown has been high as fourth! I absolutely believe it! Brown could outscore not just Jin but hanyu too!

Olympic bronze medals can be flukes! Cadelero?



Worth has nothing to do with it! Just what happens happens! It is what it is!

Boyang won because of his quads fair and square. There are a lot of medal winners who are severely deficient in something ie artistry or even jumps but they still often deserve their medal. Others made mistake. Is he a memorable winner probably only to his fans or mother. But not every medalist is all that special Holly Cook not special. kimmie Meisner again not really much impact. And not everyone can be special or there would be no one who is unique or special. Yes, arguably and jokingly the bronze medal has often been a fluke - Bobek, Cook, Dube and Davison, that Israeli ice dance team that won world bronze, sometimes they got a bit lucky with the judging when someone else could have been given bronze but that's life.

 

[4everchan]

Brown has been high as fourth! I absolutely believe it! Brown could outscore not just Jin but hanyu too!
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FYI : when Jason placed 4th, it was without Chan, Uno , Chen and Jin. Nguyen even placed 5th that year.

 

[Tavi...]

FYI : when Jason placed 4th, it was without Chan, Uno , Chen and Jin. Nguyen even placed 5th that year.

Do you like it when people say, oh Patrick Chan only won Worlds in 2012 and 2013 because he was held up by the judges?

 

[4everchan]

Do you like it when people say, oh Patrick Chan only won Worlds in 2012 and 2013 because he was held up by the judges?

tavi : you can say that if you want, some could say the same of jason.

my point is simply that the year that jason did place very close to the podium, after very great clean skates was the year before all the quadster boys arrived... it diminished Jason chances greatly to podium at championships and he is not alone, Patrick hasn't been able to do better than 5th upon his return and he did have 3 quads planned in his FP this year.

I have nothing against Jason, but one thing i don't like is when people throw things like : well he has been 4th in the world.... ... other circumstances... other times.

 

[Violet Bliss]

FYI : when Jason placed 4th, it was without Chan, Uno , Chen and Jin. Nguyen even placed 5th that year.

Do you like it when people say, oh Patrick Chan only won Worlds in 2012 and 2013 because he was held up by the judges?

It doesn't matter if anybody likes it or not for it would not alter the fact that Chan won those Worlds. Nor would it alter the fact that Jason's best showing was 4th at Worlds when those 4 Men with much higher BV and generally much higher Total Scores didn't compete.

Jason's fans should just keep on loving and enjoying his skating instead of arguing on technical and mathematical impossibility such as Brown outscoring Hanyu. Or outscoring Jin outside of Skate America.

 

[Anyasnake]

I'm a Boyang supporter! He's a podium favorite because he knows his strengths and weaknesses and is improving every season. His technical content is waaay up there and he can deliver towards the end of the season. His bronze medals are not flukes, they are the proof that his strategy was smart and within his ability to perform perfectly when the pressure was on. Go Boyang!

YES to that ! Moreover, everybody needs to be reminded that the quad craze started in the 2015-2016 GP season because/thanks to him and to his monster quad lutz !

 

[yume]

I absolutely believe it! Brown could outscore not just Jin but hanyu too!

In which world?