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Ah ha! That's how you can rattle off those wrong edge takeoffs and me wondering how can she do that?
Mens lp
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About 90, as a worst-case scenario? If 2/4 of the jump are prerotated and up to 1/4 of it is underrotated.
But a correctly done single loop? As long as the blade touches the ice again within the 1/4 limit, counting from the beginning of the rotation.
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Jeremy Abbott's LP
Finally found Jeremy Abbott's LP. Better watch it quick before it's taken down. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOGsLuzdtug
Finally found Jeremy Abbott's LP. Better watch it quick before it's taken down. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOGsLuzdtug
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This would mean that the air turn for a single loop would only be 1/4 if all that happened at one try, I've seen some of those (doubles looking like singles) as the third jump in a triple combo.
I believe the judging system considers the landing of the jump more important than the takeoff. Prerotations therefore, can get 2/4 ice turn and 1/4 less air turn an land properly for a triple? No?
Of course the Tech Panels sees all this. Oh, the arithmetic of it all!
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The part that still puzzles me, is that it seems like pre-rotation and underroatation basically amount to the same thing.
If you pre-rotate 90 degrees, then do 360 in the air, you will land with your blade sideways and fall. If you pre-rotate 180 degrees and then do 360 in the air you will land facing forward and fall on your face. So however much you pre-rotate, you have to take that much off your rotations in the air in order to land on a back outside edge. (?)
Takahiko Kozuka's LP
Here's Taka's LP. He was doing so well until the two falls. I still enjoy his skating. He reminds me of Todd Eldredge. :yes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDWkvnPazDQ
Here's Taka's LP. He was doing so well until the two falls. I still enjoy his skating. He reminds me of Todd Eldredge. :yes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDWkvnPazDQ
I looked at Mao's 3F+2Lo+2Lo and Miki's 3Lz+2Lo<+2Lo< (GPF). They both prerotate those loops badly, but Mao does land backward and Miki doesn't. But she doesn't fall either.
This thread is about the Men's LP not, the Ladie's LP. Take it elsewhere please. Thanks!
I apologize, Marine. I just couldn't come up with a better example from the top of my head.
Besides, Mathman started it! Talking about _single_ loops in a senior men's GPF thread. How very provocative of him .
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A single loop is the only jump where I am able to count the revolutions (1/2). So this is my only frame of reference in talking about underrotations.
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In the men(3axel) I have seen about 90 degree prerotatons. (It is more of an arc the a turn.) then about 495 degree in the air and land it cleanly. Those that come close to 540 degrees usual have step out, turn outs. I don't the pre-rotatiaton have to equal underotation. But one most underotate to some degree to have a smooth ride out.
I once saw miki land a underotated flip forward and still manage to have enough momentum to turn around and end up backwards.
Johnny Weir's LP
Here's Johnny Weir's LP. It appears his TES were low because he did no 3/3 and doubled the 3 Loop. He left a lot of points on the table. I hope he adds at least one 3/3 back to his program because most of the men have at least two 3/3. Is it just me or does Johnny's LP seem to lack something? It doesn't have the impact as his past LP's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G3OukJuQsA
Here's Johnny Weir's LP. It appears his TES were low because he did no 3/3 and doubled the 3 Loop. He left a lot of points on the table. I hope he adds at least one 3/3 back to his program because most of the men have at least two 3/3. Is it just me or does Johnny's LP seem to lack something? It doesn't have the impact as his past LP's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G3OukJuQsA
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It lacks in the first place the 3rd combination, old habit of Johnny, not using entirely all the potential in the jumping passes. There was a 3/3/2 planned at his first lutz, but he slipped of the take-off and saved it only into a 3 lutz, then he added the two double toes behind the second lutz for a combo. that is why the 3/3 wasn't there.
Something else, his choreography doesn't use the highlights of the music, the jumps should have been planned there not behind them. This choreography doesn't stand a chance in comparison to Abbott's LP, if Jeremy skates well, he will take the title at US Nationals. Both his programs are gorgeous.
Ita
He normally does a 3A/3T as his 1st jumping pass, but only did a 3A/2T here. He needs to do a 3/3 after the half way mark to get the bonus and try to max out his points. I thought the program lacked speed also. ITA that Abbott will win Nationals if they both skate clean. :agree:
He normally does a 3A/3T as his 1st jumping pass, but only did a 3A/2T here. He needs to do a 3/3 after the half way mark to get the bonus and try to max out his points. I thought the program lacked speed also. ITA that Abbott will win Nationals if they both skate clean. :agree:
Better said he "used to do" a 3a/3t as his first combo, because in all his 3 appearances this year he did only a 3a / 2t. At NHK I would give him the benefit of doubt, because he was sick, but in the other 2 he skated way too conservative. He just does not have the fire needed to close on the first place ranking in the world, while Buttle and Lambiel's retirement, Takahashi's injury and Joubert own struggles was a perfect set up for him to take the leadership.
Too pitty, this type of opportunities are not coming often your way, imo if he doesn't take advantage of it this this year, some other hungry newcomers will take over instead.
He used to do 3A-3T in the beginning, but this season replaced it with 3Lz-3T-2T in the 2nd half.
Though he managed to execute it only at NHK, but still, he can't repeat a 3T, and it's planned too late in the program to try to do it somewhere else if 3-3-2 doesn't work out.
Though he managed to execute it only at NHK, but still, he can't repeat a 3T, and it's planned too late in the program to try to do it somewhere else if 3-3-2 doesn't work out.
I love and worry about Jeremy's program. I think his music choice is brilliant... and risky. The way he's skated his program... successful technical elements... and in front of appreciative audiences in Asia... will hopefully also be the case at upcoming events in North America. If there are technical flaws, or the mood is not right, I worry for a flat response given the more complex and less "accessible" aspect of the music. Again... I love his music selections... they do make me "worry" a bit though.
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Jeremy's music, although it is a lyrical piece, does have several changes of rhythms unlike other lyrical competitors who have just the swells (Crecendos) in their music. Just not enough variety as Jeremy has.
I believe he can win this program given a quad. His biggest competitors will be the more bravado skaters: Joubert, Lysecek, and Ponsero depending on who makes it to the Worlds. Oda too, will have changes of rhythym and looking for gold, and he just may be the toughest competitor of the lyrical kind.
If all skate their best, it should be an interesting Worlds on many levels. JMO
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He should be doing both a 3A-3T and a 3Lz-3T in his programs if he wants to be #1 in the World...
