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Yes, now after my posting Lysacek has been added.
No, it was added before your posting....
Yes, now after my posting Lysacek has been added.
Lysacek was added already before Jaana mentioned him - after all, his one success has received much more attention here than many skater's dozens of jumps! I decided initially to post a new list every time there was reason to do so instead of updating an earlier post (which would not be read by many people).
After some work of my own yesterday plus the additions that came after the previous list was posted - thanks especially for Anthony Liu, because I was really wondering about his jumps yesterday! I went through the worlds results from the 1990s to think of names I might have forgotten and who might have been jumping quads. The Wikipedia page for quads provided some even quite obscure guys, then I also went through the world standings 2001-2019 and checked as many skaters as I could find info on.
I also looked at how the Top 30-50 (the earliest ones were not always available to below 30) has changed with regard to quads. In the early 2000s about 20-30/50 had a quad, there were 5-6 guys who were trying and the rest did not try (as far as could be found out). In the past five seasons, the numbers of those who have a quad or quads, has risen to over 40/50 with a couple always trying and maybe 2-3 skaters remaining without completely.
I have a list of 207 names now everyone put together and here it is presented in several categories chronologically (put in on my GoogleDrive also, for review only, PM in case of tech problems)
To begin with those who have managed to jump at least one quad in an international competition with 0.00 or positive GOE: 151 skaters
Pre-IJS, 18: Abt, Barna, Browning, Dinev, Eldregde, Guo Zhengxin, Honda, Klimkin, Kostin, Kulik, Li Yunfei, Liu Anthony, Sabovcik, Stojko, Urmanov, Weiss, Yagudin, Zhang Min
IJS era, retired 66: Aaron, Abbott, Amodio, Balde, Besseghier, Bradley, Bush, Carriere, Chan, Dambier, Dobrin, Dornbush, Farris, Fernández, Firus, Gao, Gaschinski, Goebel, Griazev, Grigoriev, Guan Yuhang, Hochstein, Joubert, Kovtun, Kozuka, Lam, Lambiel, Lezin, Li Chenyang, Liebers, Lindemann, Lutai, Lysacek, Ma Xiaodong, Machida, Majorov Alexander, Menshov, Miner, Mroz, Mura, Murakami, Nakaniwa, Oda, Pitkeev, Plushenko, Ponsero, Preaubert, Razzano, Reynolds, Righini, Rippon, Rogers, Sandhu, Schultheiss, Sezganov, Shubin, Smith, Song Lun, Song Nan; Streubel, Takahashi, Ten Denis, Van den Perren, Wang Yi, Verner, Versluis
IJS era, current 67: Aliev, Aymoz, Brezina, Bychenko, Cha, Chen, Danielian, Dmitriev, Erokhov, Fentz, Frangipani, Gala, Gogolev, Grassl, Gumennik, Hanyu, Hiwatashi, Ignatov, Jin, Kagiyama, Kerry, Kolyada, Krasnozhon, Kvitelashvili, Lazukin, Litvintsev, Loupolover, Lutfullin, Ma Jimmy, Maysuradze, Messing, Milyukov, Miura, Mozalev, Nadeau, Nguyen, Orzel, Paniot, Peng Zhiming, Phan Joseph, Ponsart, Pulkinen, Rizzo, Sadovsky, Samarin, Samohin, Samoilov, Sato Shun, Satou, Savosin, Selevko, Shimada, Siao Him Fa, Tamura Ryota, Tanaka Keiji, Tesson, Tomono, Torgashev, Uno, Warren, Voronov, Yamamoto, Yan Han, Yee, Yoshioka Nozomu, Zhang He, Zhou Vincent
Secondly, successes at nationals only, 7: Gastellu (pre-IJS), Kim Jin Seo, Mattick, Semenenko, Sviridenko, Todeschini, Zuber
Last those who have attempted but have not succeeded (yet), 48 skaters: (as far as I could find out)
Pre IJS, 7: Boitano, Chack, Eremenko, Fadeyev, Jeannette, Larsson, Schmidt
IJS era, retired 24: Borodulin Artem, Borodulin Sergei, Buttle, Chiper, Dolensky, Ferreira, Ge, Gorshkov, Guan Jinlin, Lee Dong-Whun, Mahbanoozadeh, Mccraw, Pavlov, Pfeifer, Rakimgaliev, Rogozine, Tarasenko, Ten Jeremy, Tondreau-Alin, Tretiakov, Ulanovsky, Uspenski, Ward, Weir
IJS era, current 17: Belohradsky Matyas, Brown, Hayrapetyan, Hino Ryuju, Le May, Lee June Hyoung, Miyake Sena, Murashov, Petrov Alexander, Rowe, Sahaka, Samsonov, Toman, Tsao Chih-I, Vasiljevs; Virtanen, Zlatkov
Based on how few nationals only successes there are, I doubt that there would be massive numbers of skaters doing quads at club or smaller national competitions. The tendency seems to be that the quadsters are also otherwise good jumpers/passable overall skaters and tend to get to represent their country internationally relatively easily.
But for the pre-IJS era, I was wondering about Zagorodniuk and maybe Pliuta (or Plyta). I saw a newspaper article on them at least doing quads in practices at some competition back in the day but could not find any mention of tries in competition. Gkelly? What does your wayback machine say? Anyone else know/remember?
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But for the pre-IJS era, I was wondering about Zagorodniuk and maybe Pliuta (or Plyta). I saw a newspaper article on them at least doing quads in practices at some competition back in the day but could not find any mention of tries in competition. Gkelly? What does your wayback machine say? Anyone else know/remember?
... Secondly, successes at nationals only ...:
... Last those who have attempted but have not succeeded (yet) ...
IJS era, current ... : Belohradsky Matyas, Brown, Hayrapetyan, Hino Ryuju, Le May, Lee June Hyoung, Miyake Sena, Murashov, Petrov Alexander, Rowe, Sahaka, Samsonov, Toman, Tsao Chih-I, Vasiljevs; Virtanen, Zlatkov
IJS era, current 67: Aliev, Aymoz, Brezina, Bychenko, Cha, Chen, Danielian, Dmitriev, Erokhov, Fentz, Frangipani, Gala, Gogolev, Grassl, Gumennik, Hanyu, Hiwatashi, Ignatov, Jin, Kagiyama, Kerry, Kolyada, Krasnozhon, Kvitelashvili, Lazukin, Litvintsev, Loupolover, Lutfullin, Ma Jimmy, Maysuradze, Messing, Milyukov, Miura, Mozalev, Nadeau, Nguyen, Orzel, Paniot, Peng Zhiming, Phan Joseph, Ponsart, Pulkinen, Rizzo, Sadovsky, Samarin, Samohin, Samoilov, Sato Shun, Satou, Savosin, Selevko, Shimada, Siao Him Fa, Tamura Ryota, Tanaka Keiji, Tesson, Tomono, Torgashev, Uno, Warren, Voronov, Yamamoto, Yan Han, Yee, Yoshioka Nozomu, Zhang He, Zhou Vincent
Daniel Samsonov did clean 4Lz at GPF. IF GOE doesn't matter then Weir has done one at nationals only. and Kim Jin Seo has done a couple internationally with -2's. Semenenko at Tallin Hotel cup did 4T (He's under your nationals only) with base GOE overall. Andrei ZUBER did 4T+2T clean with base GOE in Prague ice cup.
Philip harris has also attempted but never completed a quad.
Mccraw landed clean quad in Midwestern Sectional Championships 2006 with + goe.
The reason there are few in Nationals only is that most will go on to land it internationally.
... Thanks again a bunch for the new names and corrections all of you!! I added them in the online list and comment them here. ...
... ... Reznichenko, Igor – tries, but is he still competing? no results for this season?
Gkelly, I cannot believe you remember things from that far away with that much detail and clarity… It is truly admirable!
Thanks again a bunch for the new names and corrections all of you!! I added them in the online list and comment them here.
So, just in case saying that 0.00 or postive GOE qualifies the jump to successful is still somehow misleading, I mean the final calculation. The judges -5 to +5 do not count here.
And if for example Javi's pretty unique 0.00 GOE for an UR 4S would have been his only good quad ever, it would have not been enough to get him to the "done it" category, because it was UR. (Though, I don't think anyone else has been able to get that...)
Dmitrenko, Dimitri – tries column with pre-IJS (one of those I was thinking of also, but FORGOT his name when I wrote the previous mail See??)
Harris, Phillip – tries column definitely, but has he retired already? No results since 2018?
Kim, Jin Seo – -2s give you a negative final GOE.
McCraw, Casey – the results from 2006 are in Rink Results and the quad has GOE -0.40 link here
Moeller, Jordan – tries, yes
Reznichenko, Igor – tries, but is he still competing? no results for this season?
Samsonov, Daniil – as mentioned the GPF GOE was -0.16 which is below 0.00
Savary, Emanuel – done it, but only nationally (sorry for missing his name earlier!)
Semenenko, Evgeni – upgraded to done it (thanks for the correction!) He got a nice 0.63 for the 4S in the SP in the same competition!
Serov, Roman – tries, retired (he is on the fence between pre and IJS, but enough comps in IJS to be labeled there)
Tamura, Yamato – done it, pre-IJS (thanks for the correction! Ryota has tries, though)
Vidrai, Szabolcs – tries, pre-IJS
Weir, Johnny – the 2008 nationals 4T GOE -1.29 is well below zero
Zuber, Andrei – upgraded to done it (thanks for the correction!) For him a positive GOE quad combo in the SP!
Total of skaters 214
“Done it” total now 153 with 19 pre-IJS, 66 retired, and 68 current
“Done it, but only nationally” now totals 6 with 1 pre-IJS and 5 current
“Tried/Trying” total now 55 with 9 pre-IJS, 26 retired (provisionally with Harris), and 29 current
Don't think the list will ever be complete with 100% certainty, but it does give a very good ballpark figure on how many skaters have jumped at least that one good quad. And how many have tried to get it done...
I am looking forward to seeing how many skaters we can get into the honor roll!
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Thanks for organizing all the info @eppen.
Someone had mentioned in another thread that there were "hundreds" of skaters doing quads. It seems that we're not quite at that point for active competitors but the numbers will continue growing.
I remember the 1990s better than recently because my fan brain was not yet as full of skating data. It's harder to get new info in there now.
Reznichenko, Igor – tries, but is he still competing? no results for this season?
Lysacek was added already before Jaana mentioned him - after all, his one success has received much more attention here than many skater's dozens of jumps! I decided initially to post a new list every time there was reason to do so instead of updating an earlier post (which would not be read by many people).
After some work of my own yesterday plus the additions that came after the previous list was posted - thanks especially for Anthony Liu, because I was really wondering about his jumps yesterday! I went through the worlds results from the 1990s to think of names I might have forgotten and who might have been jumping quads. The Wikipedia page for quads provided some even quite obscure guys, then I also went through the world standings 2001-2019 and checked as many skaters as I could find info on.
I also looked at how the Top 30-50 (the earliest ones were not always available to below 30) has changed with regard to quads. In the early 2000s about 20-30/50 had a quad, there were 5-6 guys who were trying and the rest did not try (as far as could be found out). In the past five seasons, the numbers of those who have a quad or quads, has risen to over 40/50 with a couple always trying and maybe 2-3 skaters remaining without completely.
I have a list of 207 names now everyone put together and here it is presented in several categories chronologically (put in on my GoogleDrive also, for review only, PM in case of tech problems)
To begin with those who have managed to jump at least one quad in an international competition with 0.00 or positive GOE: 151 skaters
Pre-IJS, 18: Abt, Barna, Browning, Dinev, Eldregde, Guo Zhengxin, Honda, Klimkin, Kostin, Kulik, Li Yunfei, Liu Anthony, Sabovcik, Stojko, Urmanov, Weiss, Yagudin, Zhang Min
IJS era, retired 66: Aaron, Abbott, Amodio, Balde, Besseghier, Bradley, Bush, Carriere, Chan, Dambier, Dobrin, Dornbush, Farris, Fernández, Firus, Gao, Gaschinski, Goebel, Griazev, Grigoriev, Guan Yuhang, Hochstein, Joubert, Kovtun, Kozuka, Lam, Lambiel, Lezin, Li Chenyang, Liebers, Lindemann, Lutai, Lysacek, Ma Xiaodong, Machida, Majorov Alexander, Menshov, Miner, Mroz, Mura, Murakami, Nakaniwa, Oda, Pitkeev, Plushenko, Ponsero, Preaubert, Razzano, Reynolds, Righini, Rippon, Rogers, Sandhu, Schultheiss, Sezganov, Shubin, Smith, Song Lun, Song Nan; Streubel, Takahashi, Ten Denis, Van den Perren, Wang Yi, Verner, Versluis
IJS era, current 67: Aliev, Aymoz, Brezina, Bychenko, Cha, Chen, Danielian, Dmitriev, Erokhov, Fentz, Frangipani, Gala, Gogolev, Grassl, Gumennik, Hanyu, Hiwatashi, Ignatov, Jin, Kagiyama, Kerry, Kolyada, Krasnozhon, Kvitelashvili, Lazukin, Litvintsev, Loupolover, Lutfullin, Ma Jimmy, Maysuradze, Messing, Milyukov, Miura, Mozalev, Nadeau, Nguyen, Orzel, Paniot, Peng Zhiming, Phan Joseph, Ponsart, Pulkinen, Rizzo, Sadovsky, Samarin, Samohin, Samoilov, Sato Shun, Satou, Savosin, Selevko, Shimada, Siao Him Fa, Tamura Ryota, Tanaka Keiji, Tesson, Tomono, Torgashev, Uno, Warren, Voronov, Yamamoto, Yan Han, Yee, Yoshioka Nozomu, Zhang He, Zhou Vincent
Secondly, successes at nationals only, 7: Gastellu (pre-IJS), Kim Jin Seo, Mattick, Semenenko, Sviridenko, Todeschini, Zuber
Last those who have attempted but have not succeeded (yet), 48 skaters: (as far as I could find out)
Pre IJS, 7: Boitano, Chack, Eremenko, Fadeyev, Jeannette, Larsson, Schmidt
IJS era, retired 24: Borodulin Artem, Borodulin Sergei, Buttle, Chiper, Dolensky, Ferreira, Ge, Gorshkov, Guan Jinlin, Lee Dong-Whun, Mahbanoozadeh, Mccraw, Pavlov, Pfeifer, Rakimgaliev, Rogozine, Tarasenko, Ten Jeremy, Tondreau-Alin, Tretiakov, Ulanovsky, Uspenski, Ward, Weir
IJS era, current 17: Belohradsky Matyas, Brown, Hayrapetyan, Hino Ryuju, Le May, Lee June Hyoung, Miyake Sena, Murashov, Petrov Alexander, Rowe, Sahaka, Samsonov, Toman, Tsao Chih-I, Vasiljevs; Virtanen, Zlatkov
Based on how few nationals only successes there are, I doubt that there would be massive numbers of skaters doing quads at club or smaller national competitions. The tendency seems to be that the quadsters are also otherwise good jumpers/passable overall skaters and tend to get to represent their country internationally relatively easily.
But for the pre-IJS era, I was wondering about Zagorodniuk and maybe Pliuta (or Plyta). I saw a newspaper article on them at least doing quads in practices at some competition back in the day but could not find any mention of tries in competition. Gkelly? What does your wayback machine say? Anyone else know/remember?
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Thank you and everyone else for your work in archiving the members of the quad squad!