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Jaana said:
The medal winners may not all be those we consider the best skaters, perhaps, but anyway they will be the best skaters of this event :) (as in all events)... If the Olympics were postponed, nobody knows how matters are e.g. in next year.
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Well, there are many athletes in history who won only because those who were usually beating them left and right did too costly mistakes. Everyone know that they wouldn't have had a chance if the opponents had been clean but that doesn't prevent them to be called olympic champion. But i prefer to see someone win because others bombed, not because those others didn't even get the chance to fight.

Honestly, if Valieva, Chen and Hanyu are positive, i won't even bother to watch. Like i didn't watch NHK ladies event this season. Things were too easy for those who competed.
 
TontoK said:
If I'm understanding you correctly, @lariko, the substitutes are listed on the Olympic roster... which I didn't know.

If makes sense to me that a substitute would be allowed if the person was already at the Games. "Susan can't skate the 500 in the speed skating, but we're subbing in Mary who is our 1000 skater, but also has the 500 qualifying standard." That seems fairly straightforward. But what if the sub isn't already there?

Some wild scenarios have been flowing through my mind. Like what if a men skater is not able to skate the Team Event, could the fed put in a pairs guy to skate a singles routine? Or would the team have to swallow a zero score? All this is unlikely, of course, but puzzling for someone like me who doesn't exactly understand the timeline and logisitics for substitutes.
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That's my understanding, yes, but what I don't get is if Kolyada is still nominally on the roster and if he could be called up as a sub in a pinch, because initially he was on?

...as much as I would pay good money to see Galliamov skate singles... I can't really imagine the sub like that being allowed. I am pretty sure it would be qualified as WD.
 
lariko said:
That's my understanding, yes, but what I don't get is if Kolyada is still nominally on the roster and if he could be called up as a sub in a pinch, because initially he was on?

...as much as I would pay good money to see Galliamov skate singles... I can't really imagine the sub like that being allowed. I am pretty sure it would be qualified as WD.
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Thanks for your response. My example of the pair guy skating singles is a stretch, for sure.

I'm too lazy to go look up the exact rules, but I honestly don't remember if the Team Event participants must have qualified in their discipline, or if they must have qualified already for the national Olympic team, and those are not the same thing. It makes for fun what-ifs, but probably not applicable to real life.
 
TontoK said:
If I'm understanding you correctly, @lariko, the substitutes are listed on the Olympic roster... which I didn't know.

If makes sense to me that a substitute would be allowed if the person was already at the Games. "Susan can't skate the 500 in the speed skating, but we're subbing in Mary who is our 1000 skater, but also has the 500 qualifying standard." That seems fairly straightforward. But what if the sub isn't already there?

Some wild scenarios have been flowing through my mind. Like what if a men skater is not able to skate the Team Event, could the fed put in a pairs guy to skate a singles routine? Or would the team have to swallow a zero score? All this is unlikely, of course, but puzzling for someone like me who doesn't exactly understand the timeline and logisitics for substitutes.
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Not sure swallowing a zero is much worse than throwing someone out there to take a one!

I think things were surprisingly flexible before the pandemic. Basically if the sporting fed signed off on it, all sorts of things were possible. I remember during 2010 Canada only had been given 3 mens biathlon spots, and requested a 4th so they could field a relay team and the request was granted midway through the Olympics and they flew in a guy and fielded their relay team.

In the pandemic world, I think we've got a big mess of overlapping rules from various levels that are still being sorted out
 
solani said:
Some individuals bodys clear the virus within a few days. So I certainly would send some athletes who had it. What if it spreads in Beijing? Then immunity would win medals.

OK, If they have already replaced him, we are out of luck. Nothing against Semenenko by the way, I rather like his skating. But I'm sure he'll be even better in four years.
I'm very sure that a Corona positive athlete will not be allowed to compete. I bet they'll test them all once they enter the country and 24 hours before each competition. So If an athlete enters the country and tests positive immediatly - quarantine, no chance to train ... until the test is negative and I read that the negative threshold is higher in China than it is f.e. in Europe.
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The thing is you don´t know if they will and that is a huge risk to take when you have alternates. RusFed surely don´t want to end up having a spot unused. Most skaters are boarding the plane to Beijing this week or the beginning of next week and Kolyada would probably not be cleared in time and if he happens to have a negative test just the day before the flight, he wouldn´t have been training the last couple of days so nobody would know if he even in shape to perform. Nobody would take a risk like that. As he is symptomatic, he might feel tired afterwards. Nobody knows, he could be fine and have a lot of energy in 5 days. The thing is there is no time to figure out those questions. As I said before, the time is just too short when you catch covid now. It´s completely different with Alysa Liu who had time to be back at the rink after Covid and train. I also believe she did not have symptoms either, so her case was different.
 
I can´t believe what is happening in this training camp. Right now it seems that the Russian team in the team event will just depend on who is healthy. I´m really worried for Mishina/Galliamov because Sasha likes to wear his mask the Mishin way (under his nose) :palmf: I hope Nastya takes care of both of them. And I really can´t understand why Eteri and her team decided to come to the training camp today. They already knew about the positive tests :scratch2: I just hope that everyone will stay save and healthy :pray:
 
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HeadBanger said:
Depends on the sport. I know Canada is sending their alternates for the mens/womens curling early so just in case a mixed-doubles competitor tests positive, they can be entered in their place and still field a team... and then after the mixed doubles are over, those one can be used similarly if there is an outbreak on their mens/womens teams.

I imagine the decision is up to some combination of the IOC, Beijing organizers and the sports federations... so in conclusion, who the hell knows?!
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It's different in curling though. In curling every team typically brings an alternate to events (like the Scotties, Worlds, etc), so it's not just for the Olympics. The alternate is still considered part of the team basically. Which makes a difference in terms of being allowed in the Olympic Village, etc.
 
lariko said:
This, right now, is my favorite time of the day, because by now it's too late for more bad news out of Russia...
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Am I the only person who is more excited for these Olympics to be over than I am to actually watch them? Like I'm so concerned about skaters being forced to WD and not be able to compete that like there is no excitement that the Olympics are fixing to start.
 
TontoK said:
Another question I have... don't the National Olympic Committees have to finalize a roster before the Games begin?

I don't recall exact rules, but I don't think, even if logistics allowed, they could sub out a competitor for someone not on the roster on a moment's notice.

As in, I don't think they can say, "Well, Joe tested positive today, we're going to fly in Bob to take his place for th race that takes place day after tomorrow."
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I found the US Olympic selection policy and it cites an ISU policy describing 24 January, 2022 as some sort of final entry deadline. (There typically is in order to allow for visas to be arranged by the host country and the other bureaucratic formalities) So I'd assume that federations had to name first teams and alternates at that point and no further skaters can be pulled onto the team from this point onward even if the listed alternates are unable to travel or compete.

"Special Regulations Single & Pair Skating/Ice Dance (www.isu.org/figure-skating/rules/fsk-regulationsrules/file), to be entered into and participate in the individual events (Ladies Single Skating, Men Single Skating, Pair Skating, Ice Dance) of the Olympic Winter Games, a skater/team couple must have reached on or before the final entry deadline of 24 January 2022 in an ISU Championship or ISU recognized International Competition"

Edit- found ISU the policy specifying 24 January as the entry deadline for the competition on page 8

 
TontoK said:
Thanks for your response. My example of the pair guy skating singles is a stretch, for sure.

I'm too lazy to go look up the exact rules, but I honestly don't remember if the Team Event participants must have qualified in their discipline, or if they must have qualified already for the national Olympic team, and those are not the same thing. It makes for fun what-ifs, but probably not applicable to real life.
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If I recall reading correctly, Teams that have three disciplines qualified, but not the fourth, are allowed to add a skater who has not qualified in their discipline. I want to say Ukraine added Ivan Shmuratko as he did not qualify a spot for Ukraine at Worlds or Nebelhorn?
 
TontoK said:
Another question I have... don't the National Olympic Committees have to finalize a roster before the Games begin?
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Yes, they do. The official team and the alternates have to be formally submitted to the IOC by each National Olympic Committee by the deadline, which has just passed. That will satisfy IOC rules. So say in the case of the US figure skaters, it's safe to assume that all the alternates USFS identified, are on the roster.

What is not as clear, especially this year, is whether (1) the host country will provide visas for the alternates as well as the primary team members and (2) if visa-issued alternates will be allowed to travel to/enter China to be on standby. I have heard NO information on this, but tend to think that the answers to both are "yes" given the COVID issue as well as general injury possibility. With very few commercial flights going into Beijing now, plus the need for pre-arrival COVID bubbling, it would be essentially impossible for any alternate to fulfill a competition substitute role, unless they were already present in Beijing. If the Chinese refused access to foreign alternates, it would essentially mean their own home athletes would have an advantage over everyone else, since only their alternates would be present. I think it would have leaked out by now into general news and a firestorm of controversy, if alternates were being denied visa/travel privileges. Of course, it is up to each national committee to decide how many rostered alternates to actually send.

For the last few Olympics, alternates are not permitted to stay in the Olympic Village unless they have to step into an active role. They normally stay in one of the designated official hotels with other members of the national delegation. With China, not completely sure how they will handle this.
 
sc8 said:
If I recall reading correctly, Teams that have three disciplines qualified, but not the fourth, are allowed to add a skater who has not qualified in their discipline. I want to say Ukraine added Ivan Shmuratko as he did not qualify a spot for Ukraine at Worlds or Nebelhorn?
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Yes, but that added skater can only participate in the Team competition, not the individual competition.
 
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