Miki in two minds...and the JSF?

[sorcerer]

You may already know that Miki withdrew from a show on March 30 but showed herself there to express her gratitude to her fans and her positive wish to end her new season with a smile.

Daily Sports (newspaper) had wrote on March 26 that Mr. Ito of JSF revealed on 25th that Miki would have MRI inspections of her left leg on the 27th, but that he "hasn't heard of her shoulder injury so he can't say anything about it" when questioned about Miki's plan to undergo surgery.

The same paper wrote today that it came clear on April 2nd that Miki will withdraw from the Japan Open with Nakano replacing her, and this was decided under the MRI inspection with diognosis coming out as torn muscle of her left calf, needing muscle rest. The paper also wrote that when she'll restart her training is unknown, and that there may be a possibility of avoiding the surgery of her right shoulder, and that an "insider" said he/she/they "would like to make/have the decision on surgery in a few days".

It seems to me (sorcerer) that the JSF doesn't want Miki to make a long blank in the schedule in case of surgery. I can't help but suspect that they are intervening on her decision.
Of course this is merely my opinion.

 

[iluvtodd]

Well, I hope Miki gets the surgery & whatever other medical treatment she needs on her own timetable and has the chance to heal completely without having to worry about pressure and commitments from the JSF.
May she be back stronger than ever next season!

 

[sorcerer]

I forgot to put the URL of the source:
http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2008/03/26/0000890832.shtml
http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2008/04/03/0000906269.shtml

I'll write to the JSF.

 

[merrybari]

It's alarming to think the JSF might put their own agenda ahead of her need to heal. I too hope she does what's needed to take care of these career and life changing injuries so that she can come back strong and in full health next season.

JFS needs to think long-term. In their ultimate best interest to do so. Hope the powers that be are that not short-sighted.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Has she looked into all options for mending that back problem? I would only consider surgery as a last resort. Surgery, imo, takes a lot out of a person and the ensuing physical therapy is painful too.

Hope it all goes well.

Joe

 

[sillylionlove]

Ok...I could be wrong...but
I remember reading a while ago that she was always saying that at the end of this season she was going to have surgery on her sholder. I even remember reading somewhere that she had to be careful when she slept that she didn't dislocate her sholder. So if she has been saying all season long that she was going to have surgery...now the change? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Wrlmy]

I think she should get surgery as soon as possible, but i'm afraid that might be the end of her amateur career. Hope she makes the best choice for herself.

 

[kandidy]

her health should be the first priority.
get well soon MIKI!

 

[chuckm]

Miki's spins and spiral will continue to be subpar if she doesn't get her shoulder fixed. And the shoulder could get worse and worse if she doesn't have the surgery.

Could the attitude of the JSF be one of the reasons why Miki seems so emotionally down? If so, I am afraid for her.

 

[kittyjake5]

Miki's spins and spiral will continue to be subpar if she doesn't get her shoulder fixed. And the shoulder could get worse and worse if she doesn't have the surgery.

Could the attitude of the JSF be one of the reasons why Miki seems so emotionally down? If so, I am afraid for her.

I agree about her shoulder. Miki has been battling the shoulder injury for at least 2 seasons that we know about. I think Miki's has been experiencing constant pain for a long while and that could be taking a toll on her. I hope she has the surgery soon.

 

[Skye]

This is such travesty. Miki Ando is a (former and under-recognized IMO) world champion and she doesn't have a say to what she wants to do with her own body? JSF has a bunch of young ladies waiting to make appearance on the international scene and why oh why do they want to risk one of their top athlete's health for some immediate results? Thanks for the update, but I sincerely hope you're wrong, sorcerer.

 

[sorcerer]

She has a say.
But when you face surgery that is not urgent for your survival itself, it's natural that you hesitate at the last moment especially if (yes if) some other social conditions are mentioned by the federation you belong to.
As I said, this is only my personal view. I hope I'm wrong too, I agree.
I hope she makes the right decision to make her shoulder get better, at least by some effective means if not surgery.

My view was based on how the JSF acted towards Miki when she pulled out from two shows that the JSF promoted last July. She had hurt her shoulder and her left knee when trying to fix her lip. They were not content (!) with the diagnosis made by the doctor close to Morozov. And on the fact that after the morning practice on the LP day in Goteborg, IIRC Mr.Ito was reported to have said Miki has a "LIGHT" injury on her left calf. (Well light or heavy is subjective indeed..)

...why oh why do they want to risk one of their top athlete's health for some immediate results?

JSF, like any other federation, has their financial worries and IMO keen on promotions and conscious about the popularity of each skater. Yes, IMO.

 

[Bennett]

She has a say.
But when you face surgery that is not urgent for your survival itself, it's natural that you hesitate at the last moment especially if (yes if) some other social conditions are mentioned by the federation you belong to.
As I said, this is only my personal view. I hope I'm wrong too, I agree.
I hope she makes the right decision to make her shoulder get better, at least by some effective means if not surgery.

My view was based on how the JSF acted towards Miki when she pulled out from two shows that the JSF promoted last July. She had hurt her shoulder and her left knee when trying to fixing her lip. They were not content (!) with the diagnosis made by the doctor close to Morozov. And on the fact that after the morning practice on the LP day in Goteborg, IIRC Mr.Ito was reported to have said Miki has a "LIGHT" injury on her left calf. (Well light or heavy is subjective indeed..)

JSF, like any other federation, has their financial worries and IMO keen on promotions and conscious about the popularity of each skater. Yes, IMO.

I don't think it a good idea to be distrustful when we don't know anything yet. That makes the life harder.

You just cited a report that Mr. Ito from JSF said he hadn't even heard of anything about Miki's shoulder yet, right? Then, what led you to speculate that they don't want Miki to have a surgery and will intervene with it?

Although JSF might not be as altruistic as one may wish, I do not really think that JSF as an organization does not have any decent people in it. We hear simply too many negative stories about JSF on this board. But I feel that some of them could be exaggerated due to distrustful speculations.

My view was based on how the JSF acted towards Miki when she pulled out from two shows that the JSF promoted last July. She had hurt her shoulder and her left knee when trying to fixing her lip. They were not content (!) with the diagnosis made by the doctor close to Morozov.

At best, we don't really know their intent. But I perseonally didn't think that JSF had bad intentions. It might be that they just had miscommunications. Who knows?

And on the fact that after the morning practice on the LP day in Goteborg, IIRC Mr.Ito was reported to have said Miki has a "LIGHT" injury on her left calf. (Well light or heavy is subjective indeed..)

Putting this in the context that Miki insisted on skating, I feel that Mr. Ito's comment might have been intended to support her.


What makes you think that JSF wants Miki not to heal? They want Miki to be good at the next Olympics, which is impossible without having good health. Why do you think that they would not care her health and would victimize the innocent Miki for their own profit?

Having a surgery is really a difficult decision for anyone to make because in any medical procedures there are always pros and cons, not to mention all the risks of misdiagnosis and failure in surgery. There are so many medical, personal, and social factors involved in it. I hope that Miki will take enough time to think about and make an inforrmed choice that is best for her.

 

[blue dog]

What makes you think that JSF wants Miki not to heal? They want Miki to be good at the next Olympics, which is impossible without having good health. Why do you think that they would not care her health and would victimize the innocent Miki for their own profit?

ITA. IIRC, JSF wanted Miki to pull out of worlds before the FS, but she refused to sign the withdrawal papers. (I refer to the WC threads)

 

[sorcerer]

..IIRC, JSF wanted Miki to pull out of worlds before the FS, but she refused to sign the withdrawal papers. ..

What reported was that Morozov insisted on withdrawing, so the JSF prepared the papers.
What JSF wanted was not reported officialy, IIRC.

Bennett, I basically agree with you.
Maybe I just couldn't stand that man saying he hadn't even heard of anything about Miki's shoulder yet, which is quite impossible unless he doesn't read any news.
That led me to speculate that he wants to show that JSF too has a say on her decisions.
You're right. I should have thought that it's HE not the JSF as a whole that wants to have a say. Unfortunately he always comes to the front line.

 

[Bennett]

Bennett, I basically agree with you.
Maybe I just couldn't stand that man saying he hadn't even heard of anything about Miki's shoulder yet, which is quite impossible unless he doesn't read any news.
That led me to speculate that he wants to show that JSF too has a say too on her decisions.
You're right. I should have thought that it's HE not the JSF as a whole that wants to have a say. Unfortunately he always comes to the front line.

I see.

The sentence in your cited article reads:

Although (Ando) has suggested an inclination to have a surgery on her right shoulder that has long been injured, the head of Reinforcement Dept. Mr. Ito said, "(I or We) don't know because (I or we) haven't heard of it."

Since it's just one sentence, I don't know what implications or hidden message this comment could contain.

But to me, this comment sounds very simple and straightforward. It seems that he was asked about Miki's surgery and he seems to have replied that he didn't know because he hadn't heard of it.

If Miki hasn't told JSF about her conditions and decision, the only answer for him would be to say "I don't know."

Sure, he would have read all the news reports. But it would have been inappropriate if he had spoken about her medical conditions and treatments to the media based on news reports or out of his speculations. Medical information is one's privacy to be respected.

 

[sorcerer]

My messages to the JSF are in short:
Please give Miki enough time to decide,
give her the best medical information that you have,
don't put pressure on her to particpate in all the events like last season,
please encourage her and guard her.

If Miki hasn't told JSF about her conditions and decision, the only answer for him would be to say "I don't know."...Medical information is one's privacy to be respected.

Miki's shoulder trouble is a disclosed information concerning the sport. Which facility to choose is a privacy, but what the media questioned is something of public domain, isn't it? Otherwise JSF itself wouldn't have disclosed the MRI thing.

If I were Mr. Ito I would have said "We know she has trouble with her shoulder and are worried. We havn't asked her about it yet but will respect whatever her decision is and if necessary will give her medical information we can obtain. We hope to figure out the best schedule for her this season once she gives us her strategy to heal her injuries."

ETA, though a minor thing:

...what led you to speculate that they don't want Miki to have a surgery and will intervene with it?
...What makes you think that JSF wants Miki not to heal? ...

I speculated that the JSF doesn't want Miki's blank to be a long one, and is wanting to show who makes the schedules.
By "social conditions" I meant such. That's all.
If you had impression from my words as you paraphrased, it may have been partly my fault but I would be grateful if you didn't exaggerate my words like that.

 

[Bennett]

ETA, though a minor thing:

I speculated that the JSF doesn't want Miki's blank to be a long one, and is wanting to show who makes the schedules.
By "social conditions" I meant such. That's all.
If you had impression from my words as you paraphrased, it may have been partly my fault but I would be grateful if you didn't exaggerate my words like that.

The first part was referring to your original post ("It seems to me (sorcerer) that the JSF doesn't want Miki to make a long blank in the schedule with the surgery. I can't help but suspect that they are intervening on her decision.").

The second part referred to your second post. But you didn't dare to say "JSF does not want her to heal." Sorry for exaggerating your words. I should have perhaps said "JSF may not consider her health as the first priority because of financial and other concerns." My bad.

 

[sorcerer]

Well, it's my English that is bad.
I realized that my sentence can be taken both ways.
So I edited 2 words in that part. Sorry for this.

 

[Bennett]

Well, it's my English that is bad.
I realized that my sentence can be taken both ways.
So I edited 2 words in that part. Sorry for this.

Oh, I see, I see. So did you mean they might not want her to make a long blank after a surgery (if she takes it), rather than not wanting her to have a blank by taking a surgery? Is this what you meant in your original post?