but GOE increased for spins and steps, so basically it is GOE game now.
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but GOE increased for spins and steps, so basically it is GOE game now.
what Doug Haw suggested Nathan to do about 3A?
and yes I also have an impression his 3A is better at 2017 nationals than 2018.
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Could get quite a lot of points with +5 GOE on elements
Spins:
1) good speed and/or acceleration during spin
2) good controlled, clear position(s) (inc. height and air/landing position in flying spin)
3) effortless throughout
4) maintaining a centered spin
5) creativity and originality
Step Sequences:
1) deep edges, clean steps and turns
2) element matches the music
3) effortless throughout with good energy, flow and execution
4) creativity and originality
5) excellent commitment and control of the whole body
6) good acceleration and deceleration
6) element matches the music
Choreographic Sequences
1) creativity and originality
2) element matches the music
3) effortless throughout with good energy, flow and execution
4) good ice coverage
5) good clarity and precision
6) excellent commitment and control of the whole body
Spins:
1) good speed and/or acceleration during spin
2) good controlled, clear position(s) (inc. height and air/landing position in flying spin)
3) effortless throughout
4) maintaining a centered spin depends
5) creativity and originality
Step Sequences:
1) deep edges, clean steps and turns
2) element matches the music
3) effortless throughout with good energy, flow and execution
4) creativity and originality
5) excellent commitment and control of the whole body
6) good acceleration and deceleration can improve
7) element matches the music
Choreographic Sequences
1) creativity and originality
2) element matches the music
3) effortless throughout with good energy, flow and execution
4) good ice coverage
he can do better than good and very commanding coverage 5) good clarity and precision quite subjective
6) excellent commitment and control of the whole body can improve
How much original are the warhorses, apparently quite original to some judges.
I haven't looked super closely at everything yet - but someone posted this in the edge
'+5 GOE StSq4 will be worth less than the old +3GOE StSq4'
well didn't he do 1A at 2018 Nationals - so 2017 Nationals 3A were definitely better
hhh - nice checklist!
I need to go back to re watch what he said exactly. He commented that Nathan's OG 3A is beautiful, and the advice he can give is to go back to watch how/what he did in OG FS and do what he did then, he said that is the way he coached his students
I haven't looked super closely at everything yet
'+5 GOE StSq4 will be worth less than the old +3GOE StSq4'
well didn't he do 1A at 2018 Nationals - so 2017 Nationals 3A were definitely better
this is NOT good.:disapp:
actually stsq is Nathan's strength (besides his obvious jumps), he usually can got level 4 stsq and very good GOE
his spins he only has issues with levels, but can get most bullets in spin.
I haven't looked super closely at everything yet - but someone posted this in the edge
'+5 GOE StSq4 will be worth less than the old +3GOE StSq4'
well didn't he do 1A at 2018 Nationals - so 2017 Nationals 3A were definitely better
hhh - nice checklist!
IIRC, Raf was very proud of his 3A in SP. Not only 2017 nationals, his 3A for 4CC SP was good too, not perfect though
Nathan had good 3A at OG FS
And at worlds ... and also the last 3A we saw from Nathan (at least that I know of) - SBS 3A with Adam at SOI practice
those are IMHO just okay 3As, you know my #HighStandards. Some of US male skaters (or maybe Alysa liu
) can do better 3As than Nathan, let alone international 3A masters. Okay, JK. we need to encourage out boi more
those are IMHO just okay 3As, you know my #HighStandards. Some of US male skaters (or maybe Alysa liu
Okay, JK. we need to encourage out boi more
haha your #HighStandards
perhaps not international 3A master-level -yet ... but I thought his Worlds FS 3A looked pretty and I remember my friend saying he even kept his shoulder blades back throughout
those are IMHO just okay 3As, you know my #HighStandards. Some of US male skaters (or maybe Alysa liu
Okay, JK. we need to encourage out boi more
Hey, we are talking about progress here, definitely lots of room for improvement, but at least he is on the right track and the sign is promising, as long as it is high on his priority list. To me, it is what is on his priority list and how he allocates his time to work on it is something I am paying attention to, I don't worry that much about improvement he can make if he sets his mind to
@hhh, good checklist. :agree:
"How much original are the warhorses, apparently quite original to some judges."
haha your #HighStandards
perhaps not international 3A master-level -yet ... but I thought his Worlds FS 3A looked pretty and I remember my friend saying he even kept his shoulder blades back throughout
:rofl2: oh @oatmella you and your friends are so cute.but that comment is spot on even from a tech point of view.
Do you mean their BV? Because those have not changed in the proposal.
Also, the +GOE points have not changed significantly either, at least not for level 3 and 4 elements, although admittedly, the "punishment" through -GOE is bigger than it used to be.
(but thanks to the percental adjustment it's much fairer now for lower-level spins and StSqs, which used to be really out of proportion)
What I find interesting, are the proposed changes for the ChSq... higher BV and a different percentale scale for GOE (higher than the 10 % increments for all other technical elements)... they clearly want to put a lot more weight on the whole skating/performance side of a program.
Since when does Nathan have good landings? I don't think so...
Although I would like to say, that most people seem to exaggerate how egregiously bad they are. Because he usually has a few decent landings here and there throughout his programs, and at the same time skaters like Yuzu, supposed master-of-gorgeous-flowy-landings himself, will also have little flow out of some of his jumps as well, and I also see lots of other skaters have scratchy landings too, so I do feel people are too biased and don't fairly assess what every skater puts out on a given day.
Also not sure re "matching element to the music"... sometimes it fits, but I wouldn't say that it's something Nathan clearly cares about and regularly succeeds at.
I don't think so...they were ok as in "didn't fall on his face", but they were in no way up to par with everyone else's 3As...
Even skaters that are in no way close to the top men category have 3As that are a lot better and more impressive looking than Nathan's best efforts.
His 3As are hasty, have little distance and height and most of the time the rotation looks pretty out of whack, meaning that to me it always looks, as if he doesn't manage to get in a nice tight air position, the way he does with every other jump in his arsenal.
@1111bm that bullet when I checked I was thinking about very good take-off (which Nathan usually has), and ignored Nathan's landing haha. yes it is like you said, Nathan can improve his landing flow. but not as bad as someone wanna people to believe. good assessment from you
about jump fits music structure, I checked that since I believe Nathan has the ability to jump to the music, not everyone has it but Nathan absolutely has it, he can even improv his jumps and still jump to the music phrasing. In order to make it more obvious for this bullet, the choreographers may deliberately put jump on more detectable music cues. e.g. landing on a strong noted etc (but that is so lame, there are various ways for jumps to matching music structures).
Basically, I believe Nathan will have NO problem handling that bullet (just check out how Nathan jumps according to music structure in Last Dancer with different opening jumps)
about jump fits music structure, I checked that since I believe Nathan has the ability to jump to the music, not everyone has it but Nathan absolutely has it, he can even improv his jumps and still jump to the music phrasing. In order to make it more obvious for this bullet, the choreographers may deliberately put jump on more detectable music cues. e.g. landing on a strong noted etc (but that is so lame, there are various ways for jumps to matching music structures).
Basically, I believe Nathan will have NO problem handling that bullet (just check out how Nathan jumps according to music structure in Last Dancer with different opening jumps)
and 3A will always be a required element in the SP, it is a ticking time bomb!
Nathan has a good 2A though, he can do all sorts of entry into his 2A including counter...
Nathan needs to figure out and conquer his 3A.
I only saw this in that document:
Program Components
In a program containing a Fall or a Serious error the score ten (10) shall not be awarded for any of the Components.
In a program containing Falls or Serious errors the score nine-fifty (9.5) or higher should not be awarded for Skating Skills, Transitions and Composition and the score nine (9.0) or higher should not be awarded for Performance and Interpretation.
It doesn't seem like many think that Nathan's last three 3A in competition were 'good' - but at least they were more stable
wondering if this is Nathan's best 3A in competition?
https://youtu.be/7EVBb2CbYEk?t=112
wondering if this is Nathan's best 3A in competition?
https://youtu.be/7EVBb2CbYEk?t=112
It doesn't seem like many think that Nathan's last three 3A in competition were 'good' - but at least they were more stable
wondering if this is Nathan's best 3A in competition?
https://youtu.be/7EVBb2CbYEk?t=112
Yes that one!
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