Nathan Chen

[SkatingMusic]

No I'm a female retired elite skater, now pro.

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It's more about influence with the judges and feds that anything TBH. :sarcasm:

Timothy actually skated his very best that day and deserved to be on the podium. Frank Carol and Lori Nicole were able to package him up with clever choreography to hide his bad SS.

 

[frida80]

I remembered reading something on Quora a year or two ago, When Emma Watson was in Brown, although students there tried to respect her privacy, there were quite some effort to recruit her to some club, and she was asked for take pictures even when she was with friend, which sometimes annoyed her little bit.


Let us hope Nathan would not get that much distraction.

Sadly he won't. Emma was the star of the most popular movie series in the world at the time. She would never get privacy as long as she was know as Hermione Granger.

Nathan is certainly a star in his own right, but the lack of popularity of FS in the US makes him relatively unknown in non figure skating circles. It's good, because he'll be able to forge his own identity without the stress of fame. But on micro communities like college campuses, he will get his own sort of fame because he will be on TV and will be recognized by the University for his wins. He'll be known as cool, just on a smaller scale.

 

[alexaa]

I know this potentially will open the can of worms again. If Raf’s two elite male skaters both finished lower than their capabilities at the Olympics, what does this say about his ability as a head coach? If I use an analogy in the business world, Raf is an SVP of Engineering type of coach. Orser and Torasovs are CEO level coach. People don’t crank out multiple Olympics champions for no reason.

I really like Orser as an overall all around coach, but when it comes to Nathan's OG experience, the media attention/hype on Nathan, in Doug Haw's opinion, Yuzu was fortunate in that he is Canada, and TCC is more private.

Having said that, I really think Raf needs paying more attention to the mental issue of his students. As seasoned as Javier, he got nervous when seeing Yuzu's score during world and Orser had to work on that with him.

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

Timothy actually skated his very best that day and deserved to be on the podium. Frank Carol and Lori Nicole were able to package him up with clever choreography to hide his bad SS.

Uhm what? Did I say anything about Tim, Frank Carroll and Lori Nichol? No I did not.


My post was about the fact that you were talking about coaches that are CEO's and stuff in comparison. What I was saying is Orser and the Japanese Fed have more influence than some coaches like Raf and the US fed.

 

[hhh]

The reason why I'm not nervous yet is because of his 2016-2017 season. He's been away from RAF all season and his FS at TdF was a disaster. He go back together with Raf for about a week and was much improved by NHK. Then two weeks later, GPF 2016 and history was made.

Nathan is very disciplined skater who trains regularly. Since he will be away from his family, his rink and coach, I think training will become therapeutic. Because it's familiar and he's introverted, being alone on the ice will help him and make him more focused.

No, it's when starts to party, gets lots of non skating friends or he gets the new girlfriend is when I'll worry. That may make him lose focus.

Exactly. No doubt his very discipline self will help him through the daily grind during school year... until the fun and unexpected attraction of college life knocks on his door. He’s been away from school for a while and like everyone else college is a whole new world, it’s a different beast in term of social life which can either extend your life experience for the better, lose your footing a bit, the dawn of new friends/gf and fun time + the wondrous secret societies and other “Ivy League fun”, or it deter you. When he’s exposed to all that can be offered compare to the “professional laser beam focused training life” he’s lived in the last few years it will be interesting especially with a special status quo; hope he doesn’t get dazed by it. I believe he will come through, if not, it’s still his life. My main concern is while he’s attending Yale, how will the coaching he receives help him reach the next level and probably working with Patrick or a coach with strong SS will be the best outcome, since Raf seems to his best technical coach and per public info, with limited travel though I say the relationship they’ve built will compel him to offer more help than Nathan has asked (per public info). In any sport, one trains to not only to main the course but must find ways to excel if not improve, so finding a rink for self training isn’t enough. I know to some US skaters may seem years away or not equal to him but I wouldn’t count anyone out, who knows, others may also face school, personal or other hindrance/obstacles but studying at Yale even as first-year (they’re slowly changing away from the word - freshmen) isn’t easy. And he definitely has his work cut out compared to the int’l skaters. 4 years isn’t long in sports realm so I hope he knows if he can’t handle both at the same time and it’s not a failure if it doesn’t pan out, who knows he may encounter something at Yale that may override his OG dream, don’t think so but you never know what college throws at ya and welcome to the adulthood.

And I also think he needs a strong coach who won’t be imitated by the status or put his/her foot down when Nathan is stubborn, but he will need to gradually earn it with Nathan.

Sometimes being too smart can backfire and hopefully he will not push himself over the edge.

 

[SkatingMusic]

I really like Orser as an overall all around coach, but when it comes to Nathan's OG experience, the media attention/hype on Nathan, in Doug Haw's opinion, Yuzu was fortunate in that he is Canada, and TCC is more private.

Having said that, I really think Raf needs paying more attention to the mental issue of his students.

Agree and agree. The role of a coach isn’t just to teach jumps, but also to proactively mitigate risks. The risk of melt down under media attention is huge. Orser and Torasovs are masters of using media only to their advantages. That ability separates a functional coach and a leader.

 

[SkatingMusic]

Uhm what? Did I say anything about Tim, Frank Carroll and Lori Nichol? No I did not.


My post was about the fact that you were talking about coaches that are CEO's and stuff in comparison. What I was saying is Orser and the Japanese Fed have more influence than some coaches like Raf and the US fed.

I think I mis read your post

 

[hhh]

Patrick doesn't have a school yet. He said it's a few years away.

Few years away sounds good to me haha. Patrick doesn’t need to go to National with Nathan, and the documents to be a consultant isn’t too complicated as my work has offered such doc/status to some Canadians and others from Asia, Patrick - please contact our HR I’m sure they can help you out I’m still holding onto this lil wish!

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

Few years away sounds good to me haha. Patrick doesn’t need to go to National with Nathan, and the documents to be a consultant isn’t too complicated as my work has offered such doc/status to some Canadians and others from Asia, Patrick - please contact our HR I’m sure they can help you out I’m still holding onto this lil wish!

Patrick as his coach with Jeremy Abbott as his choreographer. Dream team! :agree2:

 

[hhh]

No I'm a female retired elite skater, now pro.

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It's more about influence with the judges and feds than anything TBH. :sarcasm:

Amen! Heard plenty from the West of Rockies rinks.

 

[hhh]

Patrick as his coach with Jeremy Abbott as his choreographer. Dream team! :agree2:

You’re fueling my hope and I LOVE IT! Keep going haha oh wouldn’t that be something,

 

[georgia]

Timothy learned his quads from Carol Jenkins not Frank or anyone else.

 

[SkatingMusic]

Timothy learned his quads from Carol Jenkins not Frank or anyone else.

That’s what I thought. She also retired.

 

[georgia]

You’re fueling my hope and I LOVE IT! Keep going haha oh wouldn’t that be something,

You guys are funny. These two ex skaters never coached in their lives, or if they did some local kids it doesn’t mean they are experts or ready to take over serious skaters. Actually very seldom a great skater makes a great coach.

 

[yyyskate]

You guys are funny. These two ex skaters never coached in their lives, or if they did some local kids it doesn’t mean they are experts or ready to take over serious skaters. Actually very seldom a great skater makes a great coach.

this is what fans do in a FF

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

You guys are funny. These two ex skaters never coached in their lives, or if they did some local kids it doesn’t mean they are experts or ready to take over serious skaters. Actually very seldom a great skater makes a great coach.

IDK about Patrick, but Jeremy has been coaching seminars and doing choreography along with also performing, and he's excellent at what he does.

 

[hhh]

You guys are funny. These two ex skaters never coached in their lives, or if they did some local kids it doesn’t mean they are experts or ready to take over serious skaters. Actually very seldom a great skater makes a great coach.

It may be funny to you or some but who knows, isn’t everyone’s favorite Orser a skater and a few others? I think Patrick can start his coaching with someone like Nathan as part time consultant and he’s already eared Nathan’s trust. Abbott may be a good consultant fit as well.

 

[hanyuyuzuru1207]

Nathan will b Rafaels 1st priority since he is World Champion for sure.

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

haha, how can we make this happen?

Nathan would have to ask him to choreograph for him, that would be amazing programs, especially with how flexible style-wise Nathan is.

Patrick, IDK haha

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

I am reminded of Kurt’s comments about Nathan at jr worlds 2015 - just paraphrasing - that Nathan didn’t remind him of any other skater, he had his own unique style

Surely Nathan can improve his SS, spins etc - but hope he never loses his unique style (no matter the choreo) and definitely not his ARMS

That is someone else I would love to see work with Nathan. Kurt's choreography would be amazing on Nathan!