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Maybe next year we are going to see Paganini receiving +5 GOE on her lutz. And Shcherbakova -3 on her lutz.
Yeah... some super loud and obnoxious part of twitter is dead certain about this.
But have you ever heard this opinion from someone who actually involved in work that is related to jumping technique? In the past, Mishin talked about 4Lo and 4Lz/4F. According to him, the latter is significantly harder than the former.
It would've been nice to hear something about it from other tech-coaches.
I don't know about Twitter, but I do notice that nobody can do a 4Loop but many skaters can do a 4Lz (some better than others).
I don't know about Twitter, but I do notice that nobody can do a 4Loop but many skaters can do a 4Lz (some better than others).
For the same reason, I also thought 4Lo is harder than 4Lz. But maybe the reason skaters were doing more 4Lzs than 4Lo is just because of points. I mean, many skaters trying 3Lz (or 3F) even their 3Lo is much better jump... We will see how the things will play out now when they worth the same. It may be just an individual preference, in the end...
We have to remember that the scale is for ALL skaters, from beginners on up. Yes, I would expect everyone competing in major Senior ISU events to be "above average or superior."
Who even still has a CD burner? My computer has an inbuilt one, but it's 8-9 year old, so... I don't think newer models even have them anymore?
Exactly. Some people need to watch some lower level skating competitions to put the scores into perspective... Seriously.
Do you know that for a fact? Even so, it’s not like skaters haven’t been playing with different entrances to suit their own technique (or flaws in their technique), since what ultimately counts for a jump has always seemed to be the edge or toepick the skater is on right before the takeoff. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen skaters try a very short entrance on the loop where they step into the RBO at the very last moment. So there doesn’t seem to be a “standard” loop entrance that one must use.
Flutzers are rejoicing, since now they don’t have a disadvantage against lippers. The differences were small anyways though.
The 4Lo guys are probably the happiest of all now.
So putting on my video-making jump-dissecting armchair-judging expert hat on for this post. If we are going to follow the logic used in the "full-blade" takeoff and call it cheating and making the lutz easier than it is and effectively turning it into a loop, then wouldn't that mean the loop technique is easier than a lutz?? So then why is the value of a loop made equal to a lutz? Where is the internal consistency in all this?
Edit2: I just feel sorry for the flip seems like everyone is talking about lutz and loop, and poor flip is like the middle child
Maybe next year we are going to see Paganini receiving +5 GOE on her lutz. And Shcherbakova -3 on her lutz.
So now the ISU went full blown conspiracy theorist with that full blade takeoff nonsense. You'd think they'd have more intelligence than to subscribe to that idiocy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQqVreuD7A0&t=0s
Watch this in full.
the use of full blade does exist. It's not even a conspiracy theory, people do put their blades on ice in flip and lutz when its meant to use toepick.
The blade is not fully on the ice?. It drops so that it looks like it's fully on the ice because they are pre-rotating. It's just more than 90 degrees so it looks like they are rotating on the blade.
As I said many times already - Anna rotates a big part of her lutz on the ice and not in the air (the way it should be). So, yes, her lutz GOE should be -3 because of her excessive lutz pre-rotation. And then she should be deducted also for her lutz flat edge.I have no idea who Paganini is nor interested on her lutz technique but I can assure you Shcherbakova's flat edge lutz will still be racking up points unless a crazy tech controller who probably post in Goldenskate penalizes her with a non existent imaginary full blade assist error.