wvgal57 said:
Cookie cutter programs, all designed to get a +3 on spins, footwork, nothing with any risk involved and then there will be no movement at all.
There were very few "3"'s given out all year, let alone for spins and footwork. In each competition, there were, per skater/team:
1. 8 elements x 14 marks for SP's (112)
2. 12-14 elements x 14 marks for FS's (168-196)
or
1. 6-8 "quarters" x 14 marks for CD's (84-112) (not GPF)
2. 5 elements x 14 marks for OD's (70)
3. 12 elements x 14 marks for FD's (168)
I found the following 3's:
Skate America:
Ladies SP-Cohen: SpSt2 (4)
Ladies LP-Cohen: SpSt2 (6), CoSp2 (1), LSp2 (1), CoSp2 (1)
Pairs SP-Pet/Tik: 3T's (1), BoDS1 (1). Pang/Tong: 2Tw (2), 3LoTh (2).
Pairs LP-Z/Z: 3Tw (1)
Dance CD-G/G: 1 ea. 2 sections
Dance OD-Del/Sch: MiSt2 (1), OSp (2)
Dance FD-G/G: OL1 (1). Faiella/Scali: RL1 (1)
Total SA: 27
Skate Canada:
Men's SP-Plushenko: SlSt2 (1). Honda: 4T/3T (1), SlSt1 (1). Buttle: CCoSp3 (1)
Men's LP-Buttle: CCoSp3 (1)
Ladies SP-Cohen: SpSt2 (8), CCoSp2 (2).
Ladies LP-Cohen: CCoSp2 (1), FCoSp2 (2), SpSt2 (8). Arakawa: CoCoSp2 (1), 3Z/3T (1).
Pairs SP-Shen/Zhao: 3LoTh (4)
Dance OD-N/K: OL2 (1)
Total SC: 31
Cup of China:
Men's SP-Gao: 4T/3T (1)
Men's FS-Klimkin: USp2 (1). Li-4T/3T (2). Gao: 4T3T (1)
Pairs SP-Pet/Tik: BoDs1 (1). Shen/Zhao: 3LoTh (4).
Pairs FS-S/Z: 2A/3T Seq (2), 3STh (4)
Dance CD-N/K: 1 element 1 section (1). G/G: 1 element 1 section.
Total CC: 16
Trophee Lalique:
Men's FS-Plushenko: CiSt1 (1)
Ladies SP-Cohen: LSp2 (1), CCoSp2 (1), SpSt3 (6).
Ladies FS-Cohen: SpSt2 (6), CoSp2 (2), CCoSp2 (5)
Dance OD-B/A: OSp3 (1). Del/Sch: MiSt2 (2). D/L: OL2 (2), OL3 (2).
Dance FD-Den/Sta: RL3 (1), OL3 (2), SL2 (2). D/L: OL3 (1), OL3 (1), SL3 (2), RL3 (2), OL 3 (2). Del/Sch: SL3 (1), OL3 (3). B/A: OSp2 (1), OL3 (1). Kulikova/Markov: SL3 (1). Fraser/Lukanin: SL3 (1)
Total TL: 50, mostly in Dance
Cup of Russia:
Men's SP-Lambiel: CCoSp2 (3)
Pairs SP-Pang/Tong: 2Tw (1), 3LTh (4). Z/Z: 4Li2 (2), 3T's (2).
Pairs FS-Z/Z: 3Tw (6). Bor/Chu: 3LoTh (1), 3STh (1), 2Li2 (1), SpSt1 (1), FiDS3 (1) (All from same judge).
Dance CD-N/K: 1 element 1 section. W/L: 2 elements 1 section.
Dance OD-N/K: MiSt3 (1), OL3 (2), OSp3 (3), DiSt1 (2), OL2 (3). W/L: OSp3 (1). C/S: OL2 (1), DiSt2 (1). B/A: DiSt2 (2), OSp2 (2), MiSt2(3). Petitin/Jost: OL2 (1). W/L: DiSt1 (1), OL2 (2), OL2 (1).
Dance FD-N/K: OL3 (1), SL3 (3), OL2 (2), CiSt1(2), RL3 (3), OT3 (2), SlSt2 (2), OL3 (3). B/A: OSp1 (1), SlSt1 (2). C/S: OL2 (1), OL3 (1), RL2 (2).
Total CR: 75, mostly in Dance
NHK:
Pairs SP-Z/S: 4Li3 (1)
Dance CD-Den/Sta: 1 element. G/G: 1 element.
Total NHK: 3
GPF:
Mens FS-Sandhu: CCoSp3 (1)
Ladies SP-Cohen: CCoSp2 (1), SpSt2 (7)
Ladies FS-Cohen: CCoSp2 (1), SpSt2 (6)
Pairs SP-S/Z: CCoSp1 (1), 3LoTh (7).
Pairs FS-S/A: 3STh (6), 3LoTh (3). Z/Z: 3Tw (2). L/A: 3STh (1).
Dance OD-N/K: OSp1 (1), MiSt3 (2), OL2 (3). B/A: DiSt2 (1).
Dance FD-N/K: ST3 (1), CiSt1 (1), OL3 (1), OL2 (1). Den/Sta: OL3 (1), SSp3 (1), CiSt1 (1), RL3 (1). B/A: SlSt1 (1).
Total GPF: 52
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I may have missed a few, but not that many. There just weren't many 3's awarded in the first GPF season. (And outside of dance, there were very few level 3 elements.) Many were one-offs, and at least half were out of range with the rest of the panel. (Not that I think that is always bad.)
In singles:
Cohen got rewarded consistently for her spiral sequence and combo spin -- 2 elements out eight or 14.
Plushenko got a few for footwork; Honda and Abt each got one.
Buttle, Sandhu, Lambiel, and Klimkin earned a few for spins.
Gao and Honda earned one each for a 4T/3T. Li earned two for a 4T/3T. Arakawa's 3L/3T got the only 3 for a Ladies' jump.
In pairs:
Shen/Zhao's throws got the most 3's, but they also got one for a spin. Zhang/Zhang's twists got a few. Z/S earned one for a lift.
Almost all of the technical elements that received 3's were early in the program. Notable were the 3 given to S/Z's 3STh in the GPF LP, which was their 10th element.
Looking at the scores for spins and spirals in singles are a rash of -1 to 1's. Not all that many 2's, and, except for Cohen, a dearth of 3's. I don't think this is a good thing, because there were some very fine spins this season that weren't rewarded. While quality skating can be rewarded in the Program Elements, unless really fine elements are given their due, what's the incentive to do really good, creative ones? Why should a Sokolova care if at the end of her unstretched leg in a camel spin is her foot, hanging like a gym bag, or if she travels?
I think one way CoP should be tweaked in general is to have closer to exponential rewards and penalties at the end of the scales, so that going from a 0 to a 1 is less than going from a 1 to a 2. Earning a 3 should be a greater reward than going from a 1 to a 2. The way CoP is written, the requirements are more difficult, the farther the score is from base. (Even if the differences are incremental, it is more difficult to achieve that last bit of excellence.) Same going in the other direction. The bigger the risk, the bigger the up or downside.
As far as cookie-cutter programs, maximum elements are not new to CoP; CoP limits the number of combinations and sequences further than OBO, but that change could have been independent of CoP. I would be happy dying of the boredom of seeing program after program with the creative spins, footwork, and spirals that Cohen, Lambiel, Buttle, Klimkin, Plushenko, and Sandhu bring to their programs, because everyone and his mother is trying to maximize the jump count anyway, CoP or no CoP.