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Pairs - How about Fours!?

Casey

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I came across this last night and found it very interesting to watch, especially the spin and later spiral involving all four participants!

 
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:rock: If Synchro 9s doesn't work out (too many skaters!) we can do 4s. Here's a modern (last year) competition.


@Casey Good to see you posting again! :)
 
4s is not going to make a come back. It was great to watch a long time ago but with the very few pairs at elite level, and of course, with them needing to train in the same vicinity, it's not going to happen... and that's why it never picked up. It's too bad because it is indeed quite spectacular.
 
Fascinating history - I didn't know fours existed prior to last night. I was just looking to see if I could find any videos of some local coaches, one of which happened to be in the video I shared.
 
Fours were presented at Canadian nationals, and often, there were not enough teams to fill up the podium. However, it ended in 1997. So it's been almost 30 years that the discipline, which started in the early 1900s, is no longer at Nationals.

I have no idea about fours in other countries. I would suspect it was present in Soviet Union and probably the USA as well
 
I love watching Fours, but I believe that, just as @4everchan notes, it won't make a comeback. Love your playlist @SubRosa!
and indeed, the playlist confirms that fours were presented in the Soviet Union era and in the USA... but it's so marginal. Often, there would be exhibitions at worlds... or at galas... but I don't think there was international competitions with fours.
 
and indeed, the playlist confirms that fours were presented in the Soviet Union era and in the USA... but it's so marginal. Often, there would be exhibitions at worlds... or at galas... but I don't think there was international competitions with fours.

Some interesting history:

The most significant international fours competition was the first of its kind, staged in Ottawa in 1913, which could be considered the birthplace of the international figure skating competition. Presented by HRH the Duke of Connaught, Prince Arthur, the son of Queen Victoria, the event pitted a team from the Minto Skating Club in Ottawa against a team from The Skating Club of Boston. Team Canada came away with the inaugural victory, as it did every year until 1941 when Team USA—represented by the Saint Paul Four—won its first title in Philadelphia.

Fours was held at the North American Figure Skating Championships in 1923 and then again from 1933 through 1941. The North American Championships were discontinued after 1971, long after fours had already faded from that event.

There was a brief revival in the late 1980s/early 1990s. Fours was included at Skate Canada International in 1989 and 1990; both years featured one American and two Canadian teams, and a West German team also competed in 1990. Sporadic events were also held in Germany and the Soviet Union.

At the national level, four events were held annually at the Canadian Championships through 1942 and sporadically thereafter until 1984, when it was held annually again until 1997, after which it was discontinued. The U.S. Championships last held fours in 1991.

It's one of those disciplines that was better suited to an earlier era of skating, when club culture was stronger and skaters trained locally with their clubmates for years. The modern elite pairs model—where a Canadian woman might partner with a Russian-born man, training in Montreal under a French-Canadian coaching team—just doesn't create the conditions for fours to emerge organically.
 
Wow this looks cool. For a while I thought I watched some doubled montage of one pair! The impression was certainly partially caused by the pixelated footage but their unison is amazing, and then they started forming nice shapes on the ice with spirals and spins.
 
Wow this looks cool. For a while I thought I watched some doubled montage of one pair! The impression was certainly partially caused by the pixelated footage but their unison is amazing, and then they started forming nice shapes on the ice with spirals and spins.
Yeah, it's a shame that older footage wasn't higher-resolution. The video content we're able to make today is really great compared to the earlier days! I enjoy these older videos most on a small device like a phone. Sometimes I play videos I used to really like for my kids...and on a 75" screen they look just awful and it bothers me a lot. Funny how fast we get used to newer/better technology and take it for granted... I also found it remarkable when watching recent US Nationals footage how clearly I could hear the blades on the ice, which was absent in older recordings. It definitely adds to the enjoyment factor.
 
I would love for fours to make a comeback though I doubt it will for reasons already stated.
 
4s is not going to make a come back. It was great to watch a long time ago but with the very few pairs at elite level, and of course, with them needing to train in the same vicinity, it's not going to happen... and that's why it never picked up.

4s caters to a whole different category of skaters, if the rules were to require easier jumps and throws than what is needed to be competitive in pairs.

It never picked up because it was never an officially competed sport. If it existed at the Olympics, then there would be teams for it.
 
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