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Papadakis publishes book; Cizeron challenges claims

Edit: More to the point of NBC dumping Gabby. I am so conflicted about this. I think they had no choice ethically, but I also think it has a trace of "we need to distance ourselves from this problematic woman who refuses to accept her lot in life."
NBC is a broadcasting network made up of multiple different departments, divisions, affiliates, and different human beings. As a broadcasting network, for sure NBC made a business decision with the advice of their counsel. In regard to the feelings individuals employed by NBC have for Gabby, that obviously would vary. As a corporation, NBC's public statement is clear that they believe she has the right to publish a book and share her story. The publication of the book, particularly during this time presents an obvious conflict of interest for Gabby being in the commentating booth, period. NBC ending Gabby's contract does not equate to what you projected in your own words.

Yes, I can see your logic.

Gabby should have checked with Guillaume on her book release to see when it was most convenient for him.
Clearly, this is not what @Chantilly said. In any case, it is the publisher, not Gabby Papadakis, who determines when the published book is released.
 
The sport is very good at burying their heads in the sand and pretending that tough human relations and abuse problems do not exist. Far be it for fans being able to resolve anything by sharing divergent opinions on skating forums. It's the sport that is in denial; it's the sport that sought out and supported an unaccountable entity in the useless hope that it could wave a magic wand and make the problems disappear. Meanwhile, that entity has caused further chaos and egregious harm to numerous athletes.
Sorry, but "the sport" has no head to bury it in the sand and it is neither responsible nor accountable for abuse happening within it and the way it is responded to. It is people in the sport who are. Individuals, each one of them, are responsible and accountable for what they do and they should not be allowed to hide behind a comfortably vague notion of "the sport". Perpetrators, officials who sweep things under the carpet for the sake of those shiny little things, but also those like FB/C who choose to publicly sympathize with their mates accused of abuse when having no word of empathy or support for the victims. Even more, who choose to present themselves as victims and yearn for public sympathy due to the "moral suffering" of being exposed, over the suffering of real SA victims they choose to ignore.
Such a wording is just helping them to escape from responsibility and accountability, no less.
 
Sorry, but "the sport" has no head to bury it in the sand and it is neither responsible nor accountable for abuse happening within it and the way it is responded to. It is people in the sport who are. Individuals, each one of them, are responsible and accountable for what they do and they should not be allowed to hide behind a comfortably vague notion of "the sport". Perpetrators, officials who sweep things under the carpet for the sake of those shiny little things, but also those like FB/C who choose to publicly sympathize with their mates accused of abuse when having no word of empathy or support for the victims. Even more, who choose to present themselves as victims and yearn for public sympathy due to the "moral suffering" of being exposed, over the suffering of real SA victims they choose to ignore.
Such a wording is just helping them to escape from responsibility and accountability, no less.
Every sports organization is responsible for setting guidelines and for solving problems that exist within the sport. Abuse is a cultural, human problem that has been a serious concern since the beginning of time. It is not easily resolved, but it is part of any organization's responsibility to make a concerted and genuine effort to tackle this complex problem.

Yes, individuals are responsible for their behaviors, as well as in charge of how they respond to whatever happens to them in life. Organizations are obviously made up of people, but to run effectively, there must be responsible leadership and fair management at the top, along with rules of conduct and civility that everyone follows. That's in addition to the rules of the sport that all competitors must follow.

IMO, your condemnation of FB/C is out of bounds. You do not get to decide who they befriend and who they remain friends with. Nor do you have say over any of the choices they make in their private lives. No, they are not required to make public statements about their private choices, nor do they have to publicly express sympathy for anyone. They are not on trial. Anyone who is emotionally triggered about issues of abuse, try doing something effective in your own lives and in your own families and local communities instead of castigating and trying to police others on social media.
 
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IMO, your condemnation of FB/C is out of bounds. You do not get to decide who they befriend and who they remain friends with. Nor do you have say over any of the choices they make in their private lives.
I think this is out of bounds. Agreed none of us get to decide it for them, but we definitely get to judge, each for ourselves, anyone who behaves in a grubby way or condones it. Especially in a sport with a distinctly nasty history of skaters and coaches abusing their positions and too many of them, along with some fans, turning a blind eye to that abuse and cheering the abusers because they bring home the medals.
 
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Yes, @TallyT, we all have the right to feel how we feel and to express ourselves politely, if adamantly. I personally am not aware of either Laurence or Guillame having committed any crime. If they had, they would not be competing as athletes. What they decide regarding someone they befriended who turns out to have been accused of wrongdoing before they met him, is their own business. That person has received a form of punishment and is ostracized by some people. Still, there are people in the skating community besides Laurence & Guillaume, who privately remain friendly with Nic Soerensen. Certain skaters invited Nic to their wedding. But I don't see triggered online warriors attacking everyone who remains friendly with Soerensen. What do such attacks against FB/C solve in the first place? Who is being helped by slamming and labeling FB/C and anyone who enjoys their skating? IMO, no one is being helped. Certainly, no one who suffers from abuse is being helped by this overdone, active antagonism against FB/C. If you don't like FB/C, for whatever reason, don't watch them. Write letters to the ISU and to their federations to express your enmity.

The claims in your last passage are a complete exaggeration. No sane, decent person is in favor of abuse, nor does appreciating FB/C's tremendous ice dance talent equate to 'turning a blind eye to abuse', or to 'cheering abusers.' Gabby reportedly is saying that her book is not about Guillaume specifically. So, in what way is cheering for FB/C 'cheering for abusers'? In long-term personal relationships, disagreements and misunderstandings occur. There have been plenty of falling outs between untold numbers of people in skating. I am not taking sides on whatever happened between Gabby and Guillaume. It is sad that their creative partnership ended with such hurt feelings on both sides. At the same time, I am able to separate their estrangement from my enjoyment of their skating career and from my appreciation of FB/C's new partnership.

Every human suffers from forms of abuse, betrayal, and trauma. It is part of the human experience. How each individual copes and what they decide to do to move forward is a personal, individual journey. Regarding the sport, as I said earlier, it was possible several decades ago for USfigsk to respond in an active and beneficial way to publicly surfaced reports of abuse, chiefly coach abuses against students. In one prominent case, USfigsk turned their heads away and refused to do anything about the claim against a famous coach. As a direct result, that coach continued to abuse male students. That is why USfigsk recently had to settle out of court a lawsuit brought against them by a young man abused in the years after the initial claim by the original skater had been ignored. And yet, neither the ISU, nor USfigsk, nor other federations seem to have learned anything. That case is obviously only the tip of the iceberg of cases that might have been avoided in figure skating had concern and leadership existed instead of avoidance and denial. Now, there exists a chaotic climate of fear and silence surrounding issues of abuse in figure skating. The silence is filled with the triggered attacks and policing efforts of overly emotional social media warriors. This amounts to noisy online spaces 'filled with sound and fury signifying nothing,' and solving less than nothing.

I am on the side of truth, reason, and sensible discourse. Moreover, I watch skating and skaters not for the medals won or lost, but for the joy that the skating of these young athletes gives, and for the uplift that seeing them achieve their goals inspires. At the end of the day, we should all be concerned about managing our own lives, taking care of what we have control over, and making sincere and useful efforts to 'be the change we want to see in the world.'
 
Still, there are people in the skating community besides Laurence & Guillaume, who privately remain friendly with Nic Soerensen. Certain skaters invited Nic to their wedding. But I don't see triggered online warriors attacking everyone who remains friendly with Soerensen. What do such attacks against FB/C solve in the first place?
They didn't all publicly support Sorensen and find his situation unfair...and yes, Cizeron can certainly say in the press that his friend's situation is unfair...But when he talks about the kindness he showed towards Gabriella...that's unusual: he chose to support a man accused of rape when his childhood partner suffered sexual assault....
 
They didn't all publicly support Sorensen and find his situation unfair...and yes, Cizeron can certainly say in the press that his friend's situation is unfair...But when he talks about the kindness he showed towards Gabriella...that's unusual: he chose to support a man accused of rape when his childhood partner suffered sexual assault....
There are always people who will think - and say - that an abuser facing consequences is unfair. When someone chooses to say it to the public, they basically invite public judgment.
 
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NBC is a broadcasting network made up of multiple different departments, divisions, affiliates, and different human beings. As a broadcasting network, for sure NBC made a business decision with the advice of their counsel. In regard to the feelings individuals employed by NBC have for Gabby, that obviously would vary. As a corporation, NBC's public statement is clear that they believe she has the right to publish a book and share her story. The publication of the book, particularly during this time presents an obvious conflict of interest for Gabby being in the commentating booth, period. NBC ending Gabby's contract does not equate to what you projected in your own words.


Clearly, this is not what @Chantilly said. In any case, it is the publisher, not Gabby Papadakis, who determines when the published book is released.
I think is right NBC decision about Gabrielle more if Cizeron still competing..

I read something in the Chilean press and said "she was in obligation to abort because wasn't in her plans a child "

Also her impression and that Guillaume is controlling person and cold as ice according to press article..

I wonder what is the point of publish her autobiography? Because if she said her partner is cold or very demanding at unhealthy level there was end their partnership and find a new partner. But really don't understand her motivation beyond simply write an autobiography
 
^ I agree that Papadakis' motivation (as far as I can tell) was to write about her life and her experiences as a primier figure skater, rather than primarily to throw shade on Cizeron. To me, this is exactly why we should accept the work as the exact truth --"this is what I remember, this is what I experienced, this is me."

If what she remembers and experienced was that her partner and other influential figures in the sport bullied her, controlled her, and made her feel uncomfortable -- then they should say, "Oh, I am so very sorry if anything I did caused you to feel distress. That was not my intension. Not at all."
 
I remember one particularly searing autobiography I read (a mother recounting the period surrounding her teenage daughter's abduction and murder), the last lines were particularly telling, in which she tells her readers in effect "I know some of you who I write of will say 'that was not how it was!' and all I can say is 'this is how it was for me.'
 
They didn't all publicly support Sorensen and find his situation unfair...and yes, Cizeron can certainly say in the press that his friend's situation is unfair...But when he talks about the kindness he showed towards Gabriella...that's unusual: he chose to support a man accused of rape when his childhood partner suffered sexual assault....
I'd like to understand what you mean here: "... he chose to support a man accused of rape..." Please explain who you are referencing exactly. Are you saying that Cizeron publicly supported someone who raped Gabby? If this is what you mean, please explain how Cizeron supported this perpetrator. If you are suggesting that Cizeron publicly supported Soerensen, please direct me to any public quotes Cizeron made in support of Soerensen, and explain when such quotes were made.

Fournier-Beaudry and Cizeron have the right to maintain a relationship with a person whom they developed a close relationship with prior to that person being accused of wrongdoing. If they choose to continue supporting that person privately afterward, that's their business and they have the right to be supportive without being condemned for 'supporting abusers.' Has Soerensen been convicted of a pattern of abuse, or one incident? Where and when have FB/C supported anyone else accused and convicted of abuse?

There are always people who will think - and say - that an abuser facing consequences is unfair. When someone chooses to say it to the public, they basically invite public judgment.
Which people are you referring to? If there are public quotes where Cizeron said, 'an abuser facing consequences is unfair,' please provide the citation. Was this said by Cizeron before or after the legal hearing which resulted in Soerensen being banned?
 
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Ah yes - yet another thread where the horse is not already dead but has been cremated and buried. And yet the arguing and dissecting goes on.....
 
Here, here for dead and buried horses. As I said, more than once, distressing and emotionally complicated matters can never be resolved on sm, especially not on skating forums. Controversial takes abound and noisy back-and-forth chatter is mostly fodder for the dusty, dead Internet archives.
 
I think that this particular horse will be lambasted over and over until we find some way seriously to address the problem of bullying and sexual abuse involving an imbalance of power.

If that proves to be "never," we still have an obligation to stand up for what we think is right and to condemn what we believe to be wrong.
 
If you are suggesting that Cizeron publicly supported Soerensen, please direct me to any public quotes Cizeron made in support of Soerensen, and explain when such quotes were
 
Thanks for the link @maya1985. The article is a print interview in French published May 5, 2025. I used Google Translate to read it in English. The interview took place on April 23, 2025 shortly after FB/C had announced their new partnership. The interviewer specifically asked about the allegation and judgment against Soerensen. It was Laurence who directly responded to the interviewer's queries regarding the allegation. She voiced her "100% support" for her boyfriend of 13 years, citing her belief that the "... allegations are not substantiated." It is her right if she feels that way to be supportive of the person she has been in a relationship with for many years. I am not aware that Soerensen has been accused, charged, or condemned for any other incidences of abusive behavior before or since Laurence has been his girlfriend.

Soerensen was punished 12 years after the alleged incident. It's good that the person who made the allegation, brought it forward and saw it through after many years. It's not good that the sport did nothing when the allegation was first brought to light.

In regard to direct quotes by Cizeron in the article, what I see is Cizeron's support for his friends losing their skating careers: "It was very difficult to see them go through this ordeal. It's hard to see your friends suffer. Even as a fellow athlete, it's difficult to put yourself in the shoes of another athlete going through something like that. I think the hardest thing is the feeling of injustice. Ending your career is very difficult, and it's even harder when it wasn't your decision... it's already a loss to grieve ... even when you retire on a positive note. So, having the decision to retire stolen from you, is something any athlete can relate to." In his comments Cizeron is clearly commiserating with Laurence & Soerensen having lost their athletic careers. I don't see where Cizeron directly addresses the allegation, yet he obviously stands by and cares about his friends, as is his right.

The major factor for me is that neither Laurence nor Cizeron have been charged with any criminal wrongdoing. I am supportive of their skating and their partnership. I found it interesting in the article where they describe how and why they decided to partner. Laurence mentions that, "In the first practices we were surprised to see that we ... had similar technical skills." That's interesting because their overall styles had seemed very different in their previous partnerships. So, having well-matched technical skills was the starting point for the wonderful programs they created together this season.
 
Thanks for the link @maya1985. The article is a print interview in French published May 5, 2025. I used Google Translate to read it in English. The interview took place on April 23, 2025 shortly after FB/C had announced their new partnership. The interviewer specifically asked about the allegation and judgment against Soerensen. It was Laurence who directly responded to the interviewer's queries regarding the allegation. She voiced her "100% support" for her boyfriend of 13 years, citing her belief that the "... allegations are not substantiated." It is her right if she feels that way to be supportive of the person she has been in a relationship with for many years. I am not aware that Soerensen has been accused, charged, or condemned for any other incidences of abusive behavior before or since Laurence has been his girlfriend.

Soerensen was punished 12 years after the alleged incident. It's good that the person who made the allegation, brought it forward and saw it through after many years. It's not good that the sport did nothing when the allegation was first brought to light.

In regard to direct quotes by Cizeron in the article, what I see is Cizeron's support for his friends losing their skating careers: "It was very difficult to see them go through this ordeal. It's hard to see your friends suffer. Even as a fellow athlete, it's difficult to put yourself in the shoes of another athlete going through something like that. I think the hardest thing is the feeling of injustice. Ending your career is very difficult, and it's even harder when it wasn't your decision... it's already a loss to grieve ... even when you retire on a positive note. So, having the decision to retire stolen from you, is something any athlete can relate to." In his comments Cizeron is clearly commiserating with Laurence & Soerensen having lost their athletic careers. I don't see where Cizeron directly addresses the allegation, yet he obviously stands by and cares about his friends, as is his right.
Of course they don't address the crime, that wouldn't fit the pr rewrite and puffery.

Look, you can support anyone you like. If fans and some of the fraternity don't much care about the victims and human cost, just the shiny gloss of medals, that's their right, we all have our own lines in the moral sand and I am not going to claim mine doesn't have fudged or wobbly bits.

Just don't put a high-minded (as I said, Pecksniffian) gloss on to try and shout down people who do care.
 
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Soerensen was punished 12 years after the alleged incident. It's good that the person who made the allegation, brought it forward and saw it through after many years. It's not good that the sport did nothing when the allegation was first brought to light.

Why was the "alleged incident" not handled by the obvious people who handle "alleged incidents"? The police. Anyone know?
Edit: I just read the alleged incident took place in my country. Hartford, Conn. That means the Hartford police should have been contacted immediately. Step one.
 
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Why was the "alleged incident" not handled by the obvious people who handle "alleged incidents"? The police. Anyone know?
Edit: I just read the alleged incident took place in my country. Hartford, Conn. That means the Hartford police should have been contacted immediately. Step one.
Quite possibly the victim was well aware of how 'fans and some of the fraternity' react at such things. See the way 'fans and too many of the fraternity' reacted to the Coughlin incident and attacked the victims - to the point for some of those girls of destroying what was left of their lives - and have gone on patting themselves on the back for being such a wholesome and all good sportspeople community. Including several who recently have been lauded by 'fans and some of the fraternity' here and on other forums.

It's a documented fact that it takes enormous courage, more than most of us have and certainly more than any of those 'fans and some of the fraternity' have, to try and stand up alone and isolated as they are made and speak up against someone with fame on their side. And sometimes it takes time. Ask Ashley. Ask Gracie.
 
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