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I was going to give "my wife and Peggy Fleming" as an example, but since my wonderful wife reads this board sometimes...
Well I'm still super single, so I can crush without getting crushed
I was going to give "my wife and Peggy Fleming" as an example, but since my wonderful wife reads this board sometimes...
A bigot is somebody who has intolerant opinions or prejudices, especially towards the members of a particular group (such as LGBT people). Things like calling LGBT lifestyles "messy" or characterizing them as moral-less/animalistic is bigotry. Comparing gay relationships with incestuous/polygamous/pedophilic/bestial ones is offensive. Saying things like gays target children to turn them gay is unsubstantiated, appalling, and because it is not actually the case (unless you'd like to provide sources that prove otherwise), it is ignorant.
Hence characterizing your statements as ignorance and bigotry isn't me being antagonistic so much as me describing your statements for what they are. You are entitled to your opinion, but if it is an opinion of intolerance that is inaccurate or unsubstantiated, then it is a bigoted, ignorant opinion no matter how you slice it. I've also made attempts not to directly call you a bigot (although you could probably guess what I actually think) and ensure that I'm calling your statements bigoted.
Here’s a shocker: another high-profile Russian athlete has come out in support of their country’s controversial anti-gay propaganda law.
“I agree, of course,” said Ilya Kovalchuk. “I’m Russian and we all have to respect that. It’s personal and, like I said, it’s a free world, but that’s our line. That’s our country, so everybody has to respect that.”
So you just characterized those as such. But I think you are truly intolerant to other culture and religion or even people holding different opinions. I believe that I am far from ignorant. You do not hold knowledge more than I do in order to call me ignorant. I recognize that there are decent, truly gentleman like gay people. I respect them tremendously. Brian Orser is one of them.
Although, you are no better than me on any of such regards, because I am a heterosexual who do not support your cause, so I am characterized as such, rightfully to all.
Kovalchuk supports Russian anti-gay law; Crosby, other stars opposed
Looks like the Russians think differently:
Kovalchuk said it in "It's a free world, but that's our line". This essentially means, other countries are free to ascribe human rights to everybody, but not Russia. And he is wrong, you don't have to "respect that". If a country like Uganda kills people for being gay, everybody does not have to "respect that" country's laws. If the Middle East shoots women who try to go to school, other countries do not have to "respect that". If there are laws that disenfranchise people for loving who they love and being who they are, other countries do not have to "respect that".
In no way am I suggesting I'm more knowledgeable than you, in general. But when you say things that are false and without evidence to substantiate it, I will call you out on it (as will other posters here).
If you're going to make sweeping statements like when you described how you think gay people urge kids to come out, and then use gay stereotypes like soft voices and holding a fork a certain way, that misappropriates gay people - regardless of whether or not it's your opinion. Again, there's a difference between respecting somebody's right to an opinion, and respecting the opinion itself, and if I don't agree with your opinion I will argue against it.
Here's also a thought: if Russia is so worried about gay propaganda influencing their children, why aren't they conducting more rallies for straight propaganda where straight people kiss and wave "Straight is normal" signs to 'ensure' their children will become straight? Why is there a focus to remove gay propaganda and no efforts to push straight propaganda?
That's truly laughable. How does human being exist and continue generation after generation for about 200,000 years on earth? God created human beings that way whether you like it or not.
If a country like US which has gun crimes every single day, people die from gun crimes every single day, you don't have to respect for it's gun laws. Does that make more sense to you? So why don't you rally internationally and have international media frenzy to oust US gun laws?! Nope, that's US internal affair and needs American themselves to sort this thing out. Isn't that funny how different it is?
Imagine if people said in Nazi Germany that the anti-Semitism and ensuing mass genocide was an "internal German affair" and it was not our place to get involved.
Actually that was the US's original feeling. We were just shy of being an isolation country. Maybe if the World HAD been paying attention and not so anti-Semitic itself the Holocaust would have been prevented.
Fortunately for Hitler, and unfortunately for Putin, there's now this thing called the Internet. Also, welcoming the whole world into your backyard isn't exactly the best time to exact laws that discriminate against a great number of people.
People are certainly paying attention now, and will not let Russia do its own thing and simply stay silent until it's too late.
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/september/naimark-stalin-genocide-092310.html
Old timers like myself may fear that Putin might be wanting to go back to the ways of Stalin.
I was thinking more along this line... same time period, different approach... Russia during WW2 just got smart and allied with the right allies, they were just as cruel to those different from their way of thinking... just hadn't figured out how to get rid of them all yet.
A stronghold?!? Hey, why not give them the Nobel Peace Prize while we're at it!
Putin Stalin? Well he did grab off two chunks of Stalin's Birthplace!! LOL Joke. No I don't think Stalin at all! Even with the anti propaganda law! He actually does not have the power.