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[Anna]

There is going to be a new CD presentation on Saturday. It's called "Sunshine Quickstep" and is invented by Rahkamo/Kokko (which I presume means it is based on some of their dances). Winkler/Lohse will be the one presenting.

I really should try to get up early enough to get to the ice rink at 10 in the morning...

OTOH, the "Rhumba d'Amour" which was presented some 3 years ago still is not of the list of CDs.

 

[SailorGalaxia518]

Yea!!!!!!!!!! Always nice to see new compulsory dances

 

[La Rhumba]

There is going to be a new CD presentation on Saturday. It's called "Sunshine Quickstep" and is invented by Rahkamo/Kokko (which I presume means it is based on some of their dances). Winkler/Lohse will be the one presenting.

Based on R/K's OD from the 1995 season, W/L will have their own new Jive CD soon.

I really should try to get up early enough to get to the ice rink at 10 in the morning...

I hope so! :agree: Would love to hear about it if poss.

OTOH, the "Rhumba d'Amour" which was presented some 3 years ago still is not of the list of CDs.

The written Pattern of every single step and position is not ready yet, and they've been so busy with DOI around the world, who knows when T&D will make time to do it, it's a very great shame, as it's been accepted already.

 

[Mafke]

This all begs the question* "Are CD's being phased out of elite international competition?" From three to two to one and now zero in the GPF (a place where the ISU seems to like to kick around new ideas or has that been policy there?).

On the one hand, no matter how useful for training and testing CD's are, IMHO no discipline needs three sections less than dance does.

On the other hand, so many traditions have been junked so mercilessly (and with so little thought about long term consequences vs short term savings of money or face) in recent years that I'm hesitant to endorse junking more.

On the other hand, whatever their fate in terms of competition they're of obvious benefit to training and testing and won't fade off into complete oblivion like figures did (I still think just dumping them was a mistake and every flutz, lip, poorly centered spin and balance-check laden step sequence I see just reinforces that).

On the other hand, they can't be cheap or easy to run and there don't seem to be many unique features of CD's that aren't found in the OD or FD.

*Yes, grammar police, I'm aware this isn't the original meaning of 'beg the question' but it is the modern meaning, so get over it.

 

[Mathman]

*Yes, grammar police, I'm aware this isn't the original meaning of 'beg the question' but it is the modern meaning, so get over it.

Aaaarrgggghhhh! Must I turn in my badge, then?

This is as bad as calling Native Americans "Indians" because Columbus didn't know any better and thought he landed in India, and the mistake stuck.

(Couldn't we compromise and just say, "invites the question?")

 

[Mafke]

(Couldn't we compromise and just say, "invites the question?")

I'll admit I usually don't like it when people say 'begs the question' in the modern meaning, as I prefer 'raises the question' but every once in a while, I'll give in to majority usage on that point.

 

[kateadams132003]

Aaaarrgggghhhh! Must I turn in my badge, then?

This is as bad as calling Native Americans "Indians" because Columbus didn't know any better and thought he landed in India, and the mistake stuck.

According to the Indians I've met/talked to recently, "Indians" is actually the preferred name, not "Native Americans".

So difficult keeping up with this stuff...

 

[Spun Silver]

What IS the original meaning of begs the q? I have never understood (probably confused by the modern meaning). I didn't realize there were two. No wonder I'm confused.

Goldenskate is amazing.

 

[Mafke]

What IS the original meaning of begs the q?

from http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19970627

"The traditional use of beg the question is, as you note, a rhetorical fallacy known in Latin as petitio principii, which the English phrase "beg the question" translates overliterally. To beg the question means 'to assume the truth of the very point being raised in a question'.
An example: (Q) Is capital punishment effective? (A) Capital punishment is necessary because without it murders would increase.
This "answer" does not address the issue of the effectiveness of capital punishment; it assumes that it is effective and goes on from there."

 

[Spun Silver]

from http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19970627

"The traditional use of beg the question is, as you note, a rhetorical fallacy known in Latin as petitio principii, which the English phrase "beg the question" translates overliterally. To beg the question means 'to assume the truth of the very point being raised in a question'.
An example: (Q) Is capital punishment effective? (A) Capital punishment is necessary because without it murders would increase.
This "answer" does not address the issue of the effectiveness of capital punishment; it assumes that it is effective and goes on from there."

So, is the following a proper use of what's been called the "correct" meaning?
"The answer above begs the question of the effectiveness of capital punishment"
(IOW it assumes the effectiveness of CP rather than demonstrating it.)
Thanks!

 

[Mathman]

According to the Indians I've met/talked to recently, "Indians" is actually the preferred name, not "Native Americans".

So difficult keeping up with this stuff...

Init. It seems strange to me that Indians would like to be called Indians. That would be like if I started calling you a Zulu because one time I tried to find Zululand but got lost and ended up at your house instead.

But then, too, I can see the point about "Native American." The native part is OK -- it just means you were born here -- but who is Amerigo Vespucci to them?

So, is the following a proper use of what's been called the "correct" meaning?

"The answer above begs the question of the effectiveness of capital punishment."

(IOW it assumes the effectiveness of CP rather than demonstrating it.)
Thanks!

No grammar expert I, but, yeah, I think so -- something like that.

The problem is that overliteral translation thing. English speakers just don't use the word "beg" like that. (And thus we are hoised by our own petard.)

Now if I just knew what IOW stands for...

 

[Spun Silver]

It means all these fine points of grammar and usage in a context of urgent historicity (drastically exacerbated through the advent of the internet) generates an acute pain in the cranium! OW!

 

[Mathman]

The funny thing is, I just reclicked on this thread to delete my last post. (Alas, too late.) I'm not really such a pompous idiot. (Well, yes, I am -- um, nevermind. I mean, never mind.)

 

[Mathman]

Has Joubert skated yet?

 

[Spun Silver]

The funny thing is, I just reclicked on this thread to delete my last post. (Alas, too late.) I'm not really such a pompous idiot. (Well, yes, I am -- um, nevermind. I mean, never mind.)

I loved your last post. (Confession: English major here.) I was just joshin' you.

 

[SailorGalaxia518]

Has Joubert skated yet?

Not yet. We are on the 2nd to last group

 

[zandor]

GOOO BRIAN!!!

 

[Anna]

Nora Hoffman/Attila Elek (HUN) will be unable to compete in the FD event this evening after Elek broke his left ankle in the morning practice. He fell during a choreography move while he and his partner was practising their FD. "I got stuck with my blade in the ice and I knew that it (the ankle) was going to break" said Elek. He was taken to Czerniakowski Hospital for examination. "We'll put his left ankle in cast" the treating physician, Dr. Robert Omilian said.

A pity, especially since they were apparently basically doing nothing then he fell.