Sasha's fans and nonfans
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Hi, Dog, I have a question about your previous post on this thread:
For me it's just the opposite. I enjoy watching, say, the Super Bowl on TV. But I really don't care who wins.
But figure skating is different! I am crushed when my girl loses! She was robbed!!!!
Mathman
As I understand the context, you are saying that in basketball, it's good to be a fan of one particular team, to cheer your homies and boo the other guys. But because figure skating is "different," it is bad to have a favorite figure skater and virtuous to like/dislike all skaters equally.Red Dog said:
For me it's just the opposite. I enjoy watching, say, the Super Bowl on TV. But I really don't care who wins.
But figure skating is different! I am crushed when my girl loses! She was robbed!!!!
Mathman
Mathman said:
Well, the way I see it, in team sports you can still enjoy the sport (I like watching basketball, football, and many others) but part of the fun is cheering on your home team. In the case of the NBA finals or the Super Bowl (or whatever championship), where your home team may not necessarily make it there, generally, while I won't care who wins, it's fun to pick a team to cheer for (or to cheer against!- the Lakers and the Patriots good examples of this).
In team sports, fans generally cheer for the home team and boo the visiting team. That's fine, and adds a whole perspective IMO to the game. Or, if I just want to enjoy the best of the sport, I watch its All-Star Game.
But because ice skating is NOT a team sport/activity, you don't have those elements. Instead, you have individual skaters who compete and who have their own fan bases, and several compete in a competition. There is no head-to-head or all-star competition (but then there really doesn't need to be). It's not BAD to have a favorite skater, in fact it's a perfectly good thing. But unlike sports with head-to-head team competitions, where typically the fans of the home team will boo any other team that plays them, in skating the "teams" are the countries participating, and while people in one country cheer for their skater I've never heard a skater from elsewhere getting booed. So already you have the "I hope my skater wins but I wish everyone well" type of atmosphere IMO.
Remember skating's image as opposed to sports: this seems to be an activity for little girls, etc, and you know the rest. So whenever anyone does anything more than blow bubbles or wear pretty dresses there is an outcry. No one really expects skating fans to be so competitive and so at each other's throat, but they are...
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Hi Mzheng...
Just my 2 cents here. Discussion boards are a function of the internet, which is basically a free form type of arena. Yes, moderators sometimes affect the personality overall of a given board. But hey - it's a free country (or global internet community) right??
IMO, being designated a moderator has much to do with the time someone is willing to donate to the job (which I am very appreciative of here at GS) as opposed to representing a completely neutral position, or any other position that might not be 100% "popular" with the posters. Of all the boards I participate in (very few actually) I like this and one other (for different reasons BTW) for FS information, in large part, because of the moderators and how they handle things.
I'm not suggesting you should share my opinion. Just wanted to put my 2 cents out there in support of the overall way that GS is managed. Different strokes for different folks. There are certainly plenty of boards that offer a totally different overall "feel" than GS. For me, I'm a die hard GS fan.
DG
mzheng said:Hmm, I'm wondering how come GS made you a moderator here? But you are always good natured with. lol.
Just my 2 cents here. Discussion boards are a function of the internet, which is basically a free form type of arena. Yes, moderators sometimes affect the personality overall of a given board. But hey - it's a free country (or global internet community) right??
IMO, being designated a moderator has much to do with the time someone is willing to donate to the job (which I am very appreciative of here at GS) as opposed to representing a completely neutral position, or any other position that might not be 100% "popular" with the posters. Of all the boards I participate in (very few actually) I like this and one other (for different reasons BTW) for FS information, in large part, because of the moderators and how they handle things.
I'm not suggesting you should share my opinion. Just wanted to put my 2 cents out there in support of the overall way that GS is managed. Different strokes for different folks. There are certainly plenty of boards that offer a totally different overall "feel" than GS. For me, I'm a die hard GS fan.
DG
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HI, Doggygirl
Hey, I was only joking with MM.
I was all appraise of GS's moderators in another thread or was it this thread? See, I guess I posted too much in this board that I can't keep track of my posts. Anyway this in the reason I spend my time participant this board instead of some other boards.
Doggygirl said:
Hey, I was only joking with MM.
I was all appraise of GS's moderators in another thread or was it this thread? See, I guess I posted too much in this board that I can't keep track of my posts. Anyway this in the reason I spend my time participant this board instead of some other boards.
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LOL Mzheng...
Maybe I'm the one who can't keep track of my threads. Sorry if I jumped to MM's defense in a silly way. Maybe we should now gang up on him, since we're in the same camp?????
HEY MM!! YOUR GIRL IS GOING DOWN!!!
(I can't even keep track of my own girls, much less your girls!)
DG
mzheng said:
Maybe I'm the one who can't keep track of my threads. Sorry if I jumped to MM's defense in a silly way. Maybe we should now gang up on him, since we're in the same camp?????
HEY MM!! YOUR GIRL IS GOING DOWN!!!
(I can't even keep track of my own girls, much less your girls!)DG
A moderator, IMO, is someone who makes sure the discussions on a board are civil and that posters are following the rules of the board. He/she shouldn't need to share a particular opinion IMO. But there is a slight problem with those who have a really STRONG opinion...he/she will likely introduce his/her own bias rather than just playing by the board rules...JMO
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If the Mod does introduce his own bias, he will be reprimanded for it. By bias you mean perceived attacks on other posters? or that he should not be permited to write about his favorite skater(s) or skating in general?Red Dog said:
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Mathman said:
OK, she said "another jump". Sounds like she hasn't decided what the jump is yet. But, by God don't let it be the quad...I think she's got to work on getting the jumps she DOES do down first, then go forward. But who knows? Maybe she can do some harder jumps better than others.
Still think she won't do better than about 5th at worlds though...I would say 6th or 7th...
mzheng said:
I dunno...I just don't. Look at her U.S. Nationals performance even...bare, blah, nothing new. That wouldn't even get one close to the podium if everyone else were to be clean, IMO. And you really can't afford to fall two or three times at this stage in the game. Hope has all but disappeared for her.
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Sasha's program at U.S. Nats was not designed for CoP -- her Worlds programs presumably will be. You certainly cannot count Sasha out under CoP -- her non-jump moves will rack up +GOE and her PCS scores will be high. I don't think she will win, but she won't finish 6th or 7th either. She will place anywhere between 2nd-5th, depending on how she does. I also find it highly unlikely that all the other top ladies will be clean.
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From what I have read, Sasha's FS at Worlds will be even more front-loaded than her Nationals FS, with nearly all the jumps before the 2.5 minute mark. That will cost her points under CoP, as well as PCS points for not having a well-balanced program.
The Worlds 2004 "Swan Lake" was like that, with very little choreography and all the jumps up front, and all the spins at the end. Sasha did so well under CoP with TT's choreography, even when she fell. It seems to me she's going backwards instead of forwards. Sasha doesn't need more difficulty that will cause her to fall or pop jumps, she just needs to execute the jumps she is able to do well.
The Worlds 2004 "Swan Lake" was like that, with very little choreography and all the jumps up front, and all the spins at the end. Sasha did so well under CoP with TT's choreography, even when she fell. It seems to me she's going backwards instead of forwards. Sasha doesn't need more difficulty that will cause her to fall or pop jumps, she just needs to execute the jumps she is able to do well.
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chuckm said:
I'm sorry but, where did you read that? was it Sasha herself in an interview, or is it a rumor, like "I read somewhere that someone else read somewhere else that someone said..."? I ask this because it is strange that Sasha, knowing how CoP works, would put all the jumps on one side of the program and not take advantage of the bonus points for doing jumps on the second half. If you have a link to the article where you read this, please share it so that we can read it as well. Thanks!
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On the other hand, Slutskaya's PCS scores weren't hurt by having three jumps to open her SP, which has been her pattern for a number of years. Or Totmianina/Marinin's LP's of the last two of years with most of the "big" elements (except the second throw) all in a row in the beginning of the program. (And I love T/M.) Which is different than their SP, where in two of the last three programs, they don't do a "big" element until their third element.
The judges have shown no willingness to differentiate between PCS categories. I think it will come down entirely to reputatoin: if the judges have lowered their estimation of Cohen based on this year's results, all of her PCS scores will take the hit -- even a small amount will kill her "ranking." If the judges think she's the skater from the last two years, it won't affect PCS at all. It will affect her base mark because she's given up the 10% bonus for landing jumps in the second half of the program. But I don't think front-loading itself will have any bearing on the marks.
I think Q-round is the critical one for her this year, and that she must take advantage of the "easier" Q round, since Arakawa, Kwan, and Slutskaya will be in the other. Not because of the points, but because of the ranking and grouping.
The judges have shown no willingness to differentiate between PCS categories. I think it will come down entirely to reputatoin: if the judges have lowered their estimation of Cohen based on this year's results, all of her PCS scores will take the hit -- even a small amount will kill her "ranking." If the judges think she's the skater from the last two years, it won't affect PCS at all. It will affect her base mark because she's given up the 10% bonus for landing jumps in the second half of the program. But I don't think front-loading itself will have any bearing on the marks.
I think Q-round is the critical one for her this year, and that she must take advantage of the "easier" Q round, since Arakawa, Kwan, and Slutskaya will be in the other. Not because of the points, but because of the ranking and grouping.
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