But Caroline didn't beat Alissa with six triples.
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But Caroline didn't beat Alissa with six triples.
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It doesn't matter, the champion is guaranteed a spot on the World team. The other placements are not, but 1st places goes automatically.
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how many of Caroline's triples were downgraded? they aren't triples if they're downgraded.
Well, Alissa is guaranteed a World's spot because she's the champion. It doesn't matter what happens at 4CC.
But it would be interesting (not for purposes of sending athletes to World's, as I doubt USFSA would want to give Caroline a second chance right now, for what it demonstrates to the U.S. skating world). if Caroline beats Rachael with a clear advantage at 4CC. They were very close here at National's, and Caroline lost valuable points in the SP on the layback and a point in PCS just for going early -- Caroline's FS probably wasn't as good as her SP in terms of presentation, and yet she still beat Rachael's PCS in the long. Caroline always seem to be judged more kindly by int'l judges than US ones, and I wouldn't be surprised if she beats Flatt at 4CC, and Alissa too if she goes out with another 3-triple FS.
I wonder whom Caroline or her team pissed off politically speaking in the US skating world? Or what she/they did? She doesn't seem to catch any kind of break in the last two years of National's.
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I'm guessing just one, the 3T in the 3-3 combo, just like Rachael's. She would've gotten lower TES otherwise.
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That's because she is sadly lacking in other areas., but I'm not going to go there because I cannot be objective when it comes to Caroline.
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They would send Alissa and Rachael to worlds. They MUST send Alissa to Worlds, because she is the national champion.
They are not absolutely bound to send #2, but they always do.
In fact, USFS kind of takes a holier-than-thou attitude vis-a-vis other federations that play head games with the skaters by juggling the assignments around.
Plus, they really have no better option than Alissa and Rachael anyway.
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I know it's not useful to compare skaters in two competitions,but Compare what Caroline got in TEB and Flatt got in COR, i will be suprise if she will beat Flatt in 4CC.
What makes you think Caroline would have gotten a full point more in PCS had she skated later in the short program? Alissa skated earlier than Caroline and received the highest PCS of the night. Ashley Wagner, who skated in between Zhang and Flatt, received higher PCS than Zhang, but not Flatt. I don't think starting order matters so much in the short program.
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I just want to add before I get off here for tonight - I enjoyed seeing Joell Forte's performance and to see an old friend, Elaine Zayak, still involved in figure skating as Forte's coach. Hey, you've got to be pretty old to remember watching Elaine Zayak skating.
Flatt skated two clean programs in CoR, as she did here. Caroline missed out on a 2A altogether in the SP at TEB, and three triples downgraded (3F<-3T in SP, and 3F<-3T in FS) there; here she skated two clean programs, got her 3F-3T ratified in the SP (the only hard 3-3 in the whole competition, probably, not counting the 3T-3T's), and probably got just one downgrade in the long (3F-3T<). So she's clearly getting stronger throughout the season. You cannot compare Caroline's score at TEB with Rachael's at CoR. If they both skate "clean", I think Caroline has a good chance of beating Rachael under int'l scoring. Last year she lost to Rachael by .5 at JW and that was because she got her 3R downgraded (which probably lost her 3-4 points). She hasn't had a single downgraded 3R this year, plus she's added the 3S, which she only attempted once last year (at SA) and was downgraded. This year, she got the 3S ratified in both GP's (including a 3S-2T) and at National's.
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Just comparing Rachael and Caroline specifically. Do you think presentation-wise, Caroline was a lot better in the FS than the SP, while Rachael was worse in the FS than the SP? I get the sense that they were both about the same; if anything, Caroline was a little flatter in the FS than the SP (personally I can't stand Ave Maria). And yet Caroline was 1 point lower than Raechael in the SP and a bit higher than Rachael in the FS. Maybe it's skating order, maybe it's something else, but definitely something's inconsistent here, right?
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Doesn't Rachael resemble Elaine Zayek?
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This was a super competition in every way. Good job by NBC to show so many of the ladies live. My favorite performance: Laney Diggs! 
Biggest emotional upper: Mirai's transformation from being pushed unwilling and in tears onto the ice, to grinning, fist-pumping triumph!
Most interesting comment by commentators: Mirai had to struggle with a growth spurt, an injury, and teen-aged rebellion.
I would have been OK with any of Ashley, Caroline, Rachael or Alissa coming out the winner, based on their performances.
Alissa really is in a class by herself on the program components side, so I can't fault the judging. Her 5 point lead in the SP, well deserved, was enough to give her the overall title despite finishing only third in the LP. I maybe would have put her fourth, with Caroline third, in the LP alone, but it's a two-performance competition and points do carry over in the IJS.
Biggest emotional upper: Mirai's transformation from being pushed unwilling and in tears onto the ice, to grinning, fist-pumping triumph!
Most interesting comment by commentators: Mirai had to struggle with a growth spurt, an injury, and teen-aged rebellion.
I would have been OK with any of Ashley, Caroline, Rachael or Alissa coming out the winner, based on their performances.
Alissa really is in a class by herself on the program components side, so I can't fault the judging. Her 5 point lead in the SP, well deserved, was enough to give her the overall title despite finishing only third in the LP. I maybe would have put her fourth, with Caroline third, in the LP alone, but it's a two-performance competition and points do carry over in the IJS.
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But How many chance will be Caroline skate clean than Flatt (meaning no URs etc). I think the National Judges are very strict on UR this year, but I think the international judge will be even more strict than the National (Look at Miki's downgraded at GPF), so in my opinion, the chance that Caroline's jump maybe downgrade will be higher than Flatt internationlly.
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Caroline has a lot of issues with her jumps even when they are landed. And there are other aspects of her skating where she is seriously lacking.
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:chorus:Yeah, it's funny how just 2 years ago, people were saying that MK would never make it out of nationals even if she did come back, with all the baby ballerinas doing 3-3s. Now, it's very possible that she could even win it if she's in good shape.
To throw a wet blanket, I really don't see 3 spots for the Olympics.
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