Based on everyone's season best long program scores a 10 point deficit will be very difficult to overcome. Not only would they have to skate very well, the other top teams would have to make major errors. Check out season best scores at http://www.figureskatingonline.info/ If you click on the American Flag it will show you only American scores.
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Based on everyone's season best long program scores a 10 point deficit will be very difficult to overcome. Not only would they have to skate very well, the other top teams would have to make major errors. Check out season best scores at http://www.figureskatingonline.info/ If you click on the American Flag it will show you only American scores.
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Don't forget, guys, the criteria for being named to the Olympic team is not just finishing top two at Nationals. McBru aren't out yet. Granted they need a lights out FS and probably some falters by other teams but they aren't buried.
And the proof will be in the FS...4 minutes and more elements to get through.
I'm definitely not counting them out. All things considered (and international results), they are our best pair overall.
And the proof will be in the FS...4 minutes and more elements to get through.
I'm definitely not counting them out. All things considered (and international results), they are our best pair overall.
...but M/B fall or touch down at every competition since Junior Worlds. Though the USFSA will probably still give them consideration if they place outside of the top two, they ought to be ruled out completely if they don't skate a clean freeskate imo. If they don't skate clean tomorrow, theres absolutely no reason to believe they will on the Olympic stage.
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Doesn't matter. Any pairs we send to the Olympics have little to no chance of medaling. Even D/B, good as they are, don't measure up to the top pairs in the world. They just don't. I agree that McBru need to skate clean tomorrow but in the end, it just won't matter much which pairs we send.
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I agree. Denney and Barrett have proved they can skate UNDER PRESSURE. IF Y/K or I/B beat M/B tomorrow they should be awarded a spot. I can't remember the last time M/B did a clean program (SP or FS) without a pop, fall, two foot, hand down etc.
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I disagree-- it matters to the skaters. Plus, if it doesn't matter in terms of medal placement-- and I agree that the US has zero shot at a medal-- then all the more reason to NOT give M/B a spot on the team if they don't come in 1st or 2nd.
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Wouldn't that be something if Amanda and Mark made the Olympic team?
kwanfan1212 would be over the moon and they'd need to sedate her in hte Spokane arena!
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Whoa! I hope that doesn't happen. How have M/B's senior level international results earned them a free pass onto the World team if they don't skate like they deserve it at Nationals? It's not like they've ever finished in the top 5 at the Senior Worlds, or even top 10, for that matter. They've never won a medal at the senior GPF either. They've never won a GP gold medal at the senior level. If some of the other teams out-skate M/B in the LP too, then I really hope the USFSA does the right thing and ensure said teams make the Olympic and World team. It's the only fair thing to do!
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Making it to the Olympics is an achievement in and of itself (so basically, what cornell said, but I'm reiterating it because it's important).
M/B's main problem today was a botched death spiral that gave them 0 points and plummeted them a bit in the standings. That's not enough to write them off, and inconsistent or not, they are generally always (for 3 years now) the U.S.'s highest scoring team. I don't anticipate them missing a death spiral again tomorrow, and they've been practicing well. Writing them off after 1 crazy SP would be silly, IMO.
I don't think we can go by season's best scores here... If we were really going by season best scores, Yankowskas/Coughlin would have scored in the low 50s for their clean SP, and Denney/Barrett would be in the 55-60 point area for the clean SP of their own. Instead, they both scored 60+ points today. My point is, with a decent skate, M/B are capable of making up a 10 point deficit, especially under Nationals scoring where the judges can reward huge scores for good skates.
It's not like American pairs (or any pairs for that matter) are known for their clean LPs. I don't think M/B would have to skate perfect tomorrow to make up a 10 pt deficit... There will probably be mistakes from all teams (except perhaps D/B), and we've seen time and time again in pairs, it's not just about skating clean...There's a lot more than goes into pair skating, and a lot more that goes into skaters' scoring potential. How many times already have we seen D/B skate rather clean internationally and still not score all that well?
I definitely agree Denney and Barrett have proven themselves Olympic worthy, but there's not much pressure on them. If they win, that's awesome, but there is no bulls-eye on their back and no real expectations for them yet. Several people even predicted I/B would make the Olympic team over them. A year and a half ago, they were at Sectionals trying to qualify to Nationals. Everything is probably just icing on the cake right now.
Last season at Skate Canada was the last time... Y/K and I/B aren't exactly models of consistency either, and it helps they do a simpler throw 3 sal and sbs 2As, respectively, in their SPs. One of MB's problems has been element order... Putting their throw dead last in their SP last year created problems, and this year, I don't know how wise it is to have a throw dead last in their LP. But they are young, and one of these days, I think it will click and they will start doing clean programs more consistently (SPs, at least... most pairs don't do clean LPs). Some pairs are inconsistent because they just stink at the technical elements, but M/B aren't bad at all technically. Again, it has been their overall package, not consistency, that's gotten them the results/scores they have gotten on the international stage thus far.
Okay, I hope M/B finally skate they way they do in practice in competition tomorrow, so that I don't have to defend them anymore.
They are so much better than they show sometimes.
I don't think we can go by season's best scores here... If we were really going by season best scores, Yankowskas/Coughlin would have scored in the low 50s for their clean SP, and Denney/Barrett would be in the 55-60 point area for the clean SP of their own. Instead, they both scored 60+ points today. My point is, with a decent skate, M/B are capable of making up a 10 point deficit, especially under Nationals scoring where the judges can reward huge scores for good skates.
It's not like American pairs (or any pairs for that matter) are known for their clean LPs. I don't think M/B would have to skate perfect tomorrow to make up a 10 pt deficit... There will probably be mistakes from all teams (except perhaps D/B), and we've seen time and time again in pairs, it's not just about skating clean...There's a lot more than goes into pair skating, and a lot more that goes into skaters' scoring potential. How many times already have we seen D/B skate rather clean internationally and still not score all that well?
I definitely agree Denney and Barrett have proven themselves Olympic worthy, but there's not much pressure on them. If they win, that's awesome, but there is no bulls-eye on their back and no real expectations for them yet. Several people even predicted I/B would make the Olympic team over them. A year and a half ago, they were at Sectionals trying to qualify to Nationals. Everything is probably just icing on the cake right now.
Last season at Skate Canada was the last time... Y/K and I/B aren't exactly models of consistency either, and it helps they do a simpler throw 3 sal and sbs 2As, respectively, in their SPs. One of MB's problems has been element order... Putting their throw dead last in their SP last year created problems, and this year, I don't know how wise it is to have a throw dead last in their LP. But they are young, and one of these days, I think it will click and they will start doing clean programs more consistently (SPs, at least... most pairs don't do clean LPs). Some pairs are inconsistent because they just stink at the technical elements, but M/B aren't bad at all technically. Again, it has been their overall package, not consistency, that's gotten them the results/scores they have gotten on the international stage thus far.
Okay, I hope M/B finally skate they way they do in practice in competition tomorrow, so that I don't have to defend them anymore.
They are so much better than they show sometimes.
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How is Keauna McLaughlin like a comet?
They both got a tail full of ice.
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They both got a tail full of ice.
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I just got through watching Keanu & Rockne on IN, and I'm sad to see the trouble they had, especially Rockne's bobbles here & there, and then poor Keanu seemed to pick up on his problems & made her own. Sad. 
Such a lovely beautiful couple. I particularly enjoy their star lift, reminiscent of G&G. But I've noticed that Keanu's matured a lot into a grown woman, and now she & Rockne are almost the same height. All these changes seem to have affected what was once so easy to do. It would be a shame if they didn't make the Olympic Team, their "Unchained Melody" is one of my favorites.
That said, I also watched the couple in 1st place, and have to say well deserved, well deserved, loooooooooooved their Firebird routine!!!!!!!!
Will watch more later...
Such a lovely beautiful couple. I particularly enjoy their star lift, reminiscent of G&G. But I've noticed that Keanu's matured a lot into a grown woman, and now she & Rockne are almost the same height. All these changes seem to have affected what was once so easy to do. It would be a shame if they didn't make the Olympic Team, their "Unchained Melody" is one of my favorites.
That said, I also watched the couple in 1st place, and have to say well deserved, well deserved, loooooooooooved their Firebird routine!!!!!!!!
Will watch more later...
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Totally agree. I've been defending them, too, because I truly believe they are our best pair. They have a quality the others don't have yet. I sincerely hope they come back strong in the FS, so they continue to believe in themselves.gold12345 said:
I love this lift by M/B, too. That arm position is so much more beautiful than just throwing the arm straight up in the air! I hope they can just shake the freak accident off and skate the lights out of their free. To repeat the sentiments of previous posters, pairs, in general, can be a splat fest. M/B could easily make up the points with a good free.
Now for a few shout outs to teams
E/L in third place
that means I should be able to see them on TV tonite! and maybe a kind soul would put their performance on YouTube, then i can enjoy (more like obsess) for a long time to come. Tanovich/Chau: I know who the are, but I really never knew them, ya know? there was, IMO, something a little off about every one of their element last night and yes they skate kind of juniorish, but boy do they have charm. I literally smiled all the way through the program. And as far as being juniorish, they could have skated to Latin music and shook a taiil feather or skated to snoozy classical music, then i would have probably rolled my eyes and say "look at that junior team try to be mature". I say, skate who you are. If you are a cutie-patootie, then skate like a cutie-patootie
Dobbs/Jacobsen: looks like a new class act. I cant wait for them to strengthen their elements, then i would have loooong rants about them. she looks like a star.
HOLY COW! what a great skate and score for Y/C. I am pleasantly surprised. I still think that they need to put john in a tight shirt and trousers, get some strong music and let him just rock out! The soft/sweeping music just doesnt suit him.
Good luck to all pairs tonight! I always keep my fingers crossed for a non splat fest night.
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