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As Shoma has won Skate America, I think he can go down as far as 4th to make the final. And if he's only fourth I think they look at the points, too. First, second or a third place here, guarantee him the spot, as far as I know.
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As Shoma has won Skate America, I think he can go down as far as 4th to make the final. And if he's only fourth I think they look at the points, too. First, second or a third place here, guarantee him the spot, as far as I know.
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Have not listened to that yet. Sounds very favorable to Shoma, although I never count Javi out. I'm guessing he has been training like crazy since the Open...Also Tavi, I know you are very knowledgeable on these things. We were just mentioning above, how DO competitors actually qualify for the GPF?
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About the prediction, the posibility that shoma will win is there taking it into consideration that Javi is a slow starter. Javi has no harsh battle in Nationals and his European title is almost certain. It is not necessary for him to compete here so seriously at this stage. I dont think it is meaningful to beat Javi in such a condition. 
What’s much more imprtartant for shoma here is audience response and whether he will get a certain sense of achievement in himself. It is his first competion in Russia since he turned senior. If his programs and performances are welcomed, it will be a big success for shoma. Further, he has a strict standard within himself. If he can get satisfied with himself after the competition, it's enough for me. That’s the things now i wish with him.
What’s much more imprtartant for shoma here is audience response and whether he will get a certain sense of achievement in himself. It is his first competion in Russia since he turned senior. If his programs and performances are welcomed, it will be a big success for shoma. Further, he has a strict standard within himself. If he can get satisfied with himself after the competition, it's enough for me. That’s the things now i wish with him.
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Skaters are awarded points depending on their final placement. Winner gets 15 points, second place gets 13, 3rd gets 11 and so in until 9th and downwards earn 0 points. So a skater can earn up to 30 points. The 6 skaters with the highest points go to the GPF. If skaters are tied, the tiebreaker is their total score as far as I know. For example, last year both Yuzuru and Shoma qualified with 28 points, but Yuzuru qualified in 2nd place and Shoma in 3rd due to Yuzuru having a higher total score in the competition.
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Thx for taking the time to write that. I have never seen that info anywhere, and things that I was seeing on the forum were making it seem more and more confusing to me. Hmm. What to do, what to do for predictions.
http://www.isu.org/en/single-and-pair-skating-and-ice-dance/series/isu-grand-prix-of-figure-skating
You can find more in the Announcement link
Btw Good luck to Shoma tomorrow! I hope he can have performances he is happy about
You know what- I think I saw one of these at the Aerostar hotel (closest to the Megasport ice arena were the competition is being held) downstairs in the lobby. So it might be a pic from the hotel.
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Just to add a bit to what @xibsuarez said, here's the 2016 men's Grand Prix standings chart from the ISU website:
http://www.isu.org/en/single-and-pair-skating-and-ice-dance/series/isu-grand-prix-of-figure-skating
They have a chart like this for each discipline which they update after each GP. Almost all guys do 2 GPs. No one can do more, but some only get one assignment. The guys with one assignment will not make it to the final because they don't earn enough points.
At the end of the season, the top 6 men will go to the final. Points are awarded for placement in each GP (15 for gold, 13 for silver, 11 for Bronze, etc.) and then they have a series of tie breakers that are used as necessary. If you look on the right hand side of the chart, you'll see those.
So you can see, for example, that right now both Shoma and Patrick have 15 points because both won their comps, but Shoma is seeded higher than Patrick because his total score at SA was higher than Patrick's at SC. Same with Jason and Hanyu. They both currently have 13 points, but Jason is ahead of Hanyu because his total score is higher. Notice it doesn't matter that Jason scored higher than Patrick right now, because Patrick has 15 points and Jason only has 13.
Now let's say Shoma takes silver in Russia and scores 280 points. He will have a total of 28 points and a total score (for tie breaking purposes) of 279.34 +280 = 559.34. He won't earn any more points this season.
Shoma is the only guy at Cup Russia (i think) who has already competed on the GP, so next week, he will be the number one seed on the GP because he will be the only one with scores from two competitions. Things will change after that!
The following week, lots of guys who have already competed at SA or SC will be competing in France. Let's say Adam, who has a bronze already, wins silver in France. He will now go behind Shoma, but ahead of Jason and Patrick, with a score of 24 (11+13). Depending on how Jason and Patrick do in the their second competitions, he may stay ahead of them or he may fall behind them again.
So every week it changes. Jason and Nathan won't know if they're in until the last week of the season, after NHK, because that's the second comp for each of them. Other guys will know sooner. For example, if Shoma takes gold in Russia, I don't think there's any way he wouldn't make the final.
So how many points does it take to get into the GPF? That changes every year. Sometimes a silver and fourth place are enough. Sometimes not. Here's an example of the seeding for the GPF in 2014 (I didn't use 2015 because they changed the rules because of the terrorist attack):
http://www.isuresults.com/events/gp2014/gpsmen.htm
Here you can see that Hanyu edged Jason out for the last seed because altho both won silver at their first comps, Hanyu got fourth place at his second comp and Jason got fifth at his.
If you want more details, here's the announcement:
http://www.isu.org/en/single-and-pa...of-events/2016/12/isu-gp-final-2016-marseille
Hope that helps!
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Arriba, it is worth adding that the first tie-breaker for GP rankings is based on highest placement.
The first tie-breaker often comes into play.
(I am no encyclopedic expert, but to my very limited knowledge, it is less likely for the second-tiebreaker of highest total score to come into play.)
A hypothetical example re the first tie-breaker:
Say that Skater A has one GP gold and one bronze. Ranking points: 15 + 11 + 26.
Say that Skater B has two GP silvers. Ranking points: 13 + 13 = 26.
Because of the first-tie breaker, Skater A will rank above Skater B -- because Skater A's highest placement (gold) is higher than Skater B's highest placement (silver).
Say that Skater B has two GP silvers. Ranking points: 13 + 13 = 26.
Because of the first-tie breaker, Skater A will rank above Skater B -- because Skater A's highest placement (gold) is higher than Skater B's highest placement (silver).
All seven levels of tie-breakers are explained in the ISU Announcement.
I just want to make sure that you are aware of the correct first tie-breaker.
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For some reason I thought if you win one that holds more weight as well. Like if you got two bronzes vs. someone that won a competition and then placed lower at another one, but you had the same amount of points. Didn't Patrick tie to make it in last season but won on a tie breaker?
I think Shoma could win this event too. He competed so well at SA and the program seems very ready, having been performed many times already. It needs only to be perfected with time. Javi has been busy and this will be his first real competition. I personally think Shoma has the goods this season to beat Javi on any day, but neither result would surprise me. I hope it is a good competition.
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Ganbatte Shoma! Fingers crossed that you skate two good programs! 
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It is a little complicated but makes sense now! Thank you for the explanation! I was a little confused and wondering how people seemed to know who would and wouldn't make the finals. Seems like looking at the charts each week will be the best...Back to my predictions decisions...Thx again.
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Good luck with your predictions - I never do 'em!
And since I'm here in Shoma's thread, good luck to Shoma, of course! He is an amazing competitor and I have no doubt he'll give it his all!
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Good luck with your predictions - I never do 'em!
And since I'm here in Shoma's thread, good luck to Shoma, of course! He is an amazing competitor and I have no doubt he'll give it his all!
In his interview I think he said exactly that! "全部出し切る" means to give one's all LOL! Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though, Hamaguri senpai!!
I really like Javi, but I loooove Shoma so my heart wants them to go 1-2 with Shoma winning, but I do feel like Javi could possible get some favoritism as world champ so I don't really know how things will play out. It'll really depend on if both are clean.
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Did a quick unofficial count of Javi vs. Shoma in the predictions thread -- oh come on guys!
Show Shoma kun a little love! 
I counted 88 put Javi first and 32 put Shoma first! :shame: 
Oh well, it's all in fun! We'll know soon enough.
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Im not at all senpai!(lol) And i truly know your feelings. Im always at a loss with translation and try to find a better expression with translation. Japanese language has totally different syntax and vague. Some of it is consiste of a kind of nuance. Translating or summerizing it without causing misunderstanding is pretty difficult. i sometimes corrected my posts in receipt of questions by another member in yuzu thread and i find it very interesting. Further, shoma’s words have another difficulty from yuzu’s. His sentense is short, and he doesnt speak so much. BTW, shoma is humble with his brain, but i find he is bright. I cant put my fingers on, but his japanese is ひねりがきいている。 Further, his character is mysterious to me.
Yes, he has hate-to- lose spirit, but he doesnt seem to understand his talent. He just seems to do figure skating which he loves and he can keep challenging with.
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