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He did so well and looked so confident. Thoroughly enjoyed him.
Shoma Uno raises bar for 2016-17
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He did so well and looked so confident. Thoroughly enjoyed him.
A few things in this thread is quite laughable. First of all, the so-called mad quad race is not started by Jin. Hanyu, for example, has been the leader of upping the technical components. And secondly, if you wanna talk about the most messy landings of quads, Uno stands out no double. His pre-rotations and crazy landings of quads make me appreciate quads much less. Do we really need a champion with cheated jumping techniques? At least not for me.
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A lot could be fixed if everyone was scored fairly and got GOE and PCS they actually deserve. That would hopefully force everyone to work on whatever gaping holes they have in their skating. So far Boyang actually comes closest to getting scored that way, if only because judges feel that with his crazy BV they have to do something to place him where they want him placed, rather than due to a sudden attack of objectivity.
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I tyhnk you mean that a "short term trend" is not something that is long lasting. A "long term trend" is something that is long lasting. I think this is why they call it a long term trend. (Just guessing here.
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I tyhnk you mean that a "short term trend" is not something that is long lasting. A "long term trend" is something that is long lasting. I think this is why they call it a long term trend. (Just guessing here.
Definition of trend
: a general direction of change : a way of behaving, proceeding, etc., that is developing and becoming more common
: something that is currently popular or fashionable
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
i meant something present, current, sort of changing, and that may not necessarily last... but it's okay
just saw you had replied and thought I would answer but I think we are all over it The two Spaniards I talked to at gpf thought Javi's flamenco was very flamenco... one of them talked quite a bit about it.
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topic: I have just seen a small footage of Mura's sp and it definitely looks more Flamenco than Javi's flamenco. I believe making faces, wearing red costume, posture and 2 finger aloft spinning aren't the crucial elements of Flamenco. I have talked about it with several competent people and they agreed tho.
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I really look forward to seeing his technique improve (especially on jump landings) and what he will do with new programmes. I see the potential but he doesn't do "it" for me yet, I didn't like the programmes this year but I would like to become a fan and am open to what he may produce. Same with Medvedeva, not a fan yet but hoping to be. Good luck to him in the new season...
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The two Spaniards I talked to at gpf thought Javi's flamenco was very flamenco... one of them talked quite a bit about it.
I have seen many flamenco performances (on land), and his just was -- ?? Sui and Han's SP had much more flamenco feel to it than Javi's. Javi's charm did really shine through in the program though.
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I have talked about it with several competent people and they agreed tho.
But whose costume is better? Javi's red or Mura's court jester / clown look? Sorry.
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Funny then how everyone only started doing 2 Quads in the SP last season, when they have been allowed to for 6 years now. Booyang Jin has definitely started a new jumping craze era. Hanyu was pushing the tech, yes, but not as massively as Booyang did last season. The best Quad Lutz ever, 4 Quads in a LP, and 2 Quads in the SP was a massive leap forward. 2 Quads in the SP is now the standard because of him. I don't know why it took so long for people to start doing this, Fernandez should have been doing it since 2013, but now we are there. Additionally, we are now regularly going to be seeing Quad attempts aside from just Toeloop and Salchow. This is also Booyang's doing.
The fact is that until Booyang Jin, the bar for jumping was set by Timothy Goebel back in 2001/2002. He was doing 3 Quads and 2 Triple Axels, including back-loading, and it took 14 years for someone to finally go for that level again. While it's commendable that Hanyu met this challenge, he was overtaken in the very same season by Booyang in terms of jumping achievement.
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one name not to forget : kevin reynolds.
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I'd be surprised if you weren't corrected on this before - but Yuzuru had decided to go for 2 quads in the SP right after SC, so also before Jin's first showing on the GP. He had that plan no matter what Jin would do. And Javier upped his SP content to keep up with Yuzuru most of all.
I'm not saying Jin isn't doing his part in pushing the field forward - he sure does, and I like him. But it's not him alone that is pushing, it's a number of guys that are doing so. If it weren't, he'd just be the new Goebel still losing to the 'complete skaters' while being the only one with such a difficult layout.
But btw, I really wouldn't call a 2 quad SP the "standard" yet. I'd rather wait and see how next season goes, because so far a big number of top contenders is still going for only one quad, as far as we know (like Patrick Chan, Adam Rippon, Mikhail Kolyada) and some of those doing 2 aren't having the most quality in theirs (Maxim Kovtun, and potentially - much as I love him - Shoma Uno though I hope the 4F will look better next season when he will have practiced it longer).
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I don't care if Boyang Jin does 6 quads a competition as long as he doesn't know how to use his edges. His basic skating leaves much to be desired. If jumping quads were the standard of "pushing the sport forward" then it would be a jump competition and not figure skating. To me, Yuzuru Hanyu is pushing figure skating forward right now. His skating is high quality from jumps to spins, skating skills, transitions, footwork.
Back to Shoma Uno, he's been working on his jumps in a training camp in Chicago for a few weeks. I hope to see some improvement but imho he needs a permanent jump coach.
Back to Shoma Uno, he's been working on his jumps in a training camp in Chicago for a few weeks. I hope to see some improvement but imho he needs a permanent jump coach.
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Adam Rippon did 0 quads in SP and his only quad in two programs is an underrotated or downgraded 4Lz. Kolyada as far as I am aware is not putting another quad in SP this season, only in LP. Chan experiences enough problems skating cleanly the jump content that he already has. Kovtun hits his quads once in a blue moon, and Shoma has a lot of work to do on his. So I am not seeing immediate potential for a leap in difficulty with regard to SP.
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That plan was because of everyone seeing the video of Jin doing a perfect SP with 4Lutz+3Toe and 4Toe in competition. It doesn't matter that Jin hadn't yet competed on the Grand Prix, everyone already knew what he had done and what he was going to do.
He was the first to take advantage of the new rule and do 2 Quads in the SP but the problem is that his flawed technique didn't turn it into a threat to the other competitors. He didn't get good GOE's, his Triple Axel was always inconsistent, and his Quads were frequently underrotated. He never actually did a SP with all the jumps properly completed. Booyang Jin is the first person to do that and he further upped the level at the same time with the Quad Lutz.
Besides the SP jump content/TES, you have to consider PCS and SS
From Worlds 2016:
4s, 4t+3t, 3a 61.52 49.04 9.89 HANYU
4t+3t, 4s↓, 3a 53.06 46.46 9.14 FERNANDEZ
4t+3t, 3a↓, 3z 48.62 47.21 9.57 CHAN
4t, 3a, 3f+2t 47.17 43.57 8.96 UNO
4z+3t, 3a, 4t 52.08 37.78 7.75 JIN
From Worlds 2016:
4s, 4t+3t, 3a 61.52 49.04 9.89 HANYU
4t+3t, 4s↓, 3a 53.06 46.46 9.14 FERNANDEZ
4t+3t, 3a↓, 3z 48.62 47.21 9.57 CHAN
4t, 3a, 3f+2t 47.17 43.57 8.96 UNO
4z+3t, 3a, 4t 52.08 37.78 7.75 JIN
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I don't think you have to consider PCS and SS if the question is whether Jin's jump layout will inspire others to match it.
Will he be another Tim Goebel, who lagged behind on the second mark but set a jumping standard that no one attempted to match for more than a decade? Or will Jin's contemporaries and successors go crazy with quads, regardless of Jin's deficiencies in other areas?
