State of Russian Men's Figure Skating 2015-2016
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Oh, how I love it when people hit the panic button before an event is even over
Kolyada and Petrov are both young and in their first big international senior event, they were nervous, and that is fine. They still have LP to move up in the rankings, maybe they will.
And what did you expect Kovtun to be, 1st?
Of course I didn't expect kovtun to be first! I thought maybe with tarasova and being russian champion he would be closer but he's So horrible he was only barely second.
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It's always nice to see my fav being praised by the posters unless they do so to disrespect others.
Anyway, when does Rus Fed announce the World team? I'm wondering if Mikhail will (or need to) compete at the Cup of Russia Final. And I wonder who else will be there too. Gorshkov, Voronov, Menshov, and probably Adian if he's alright?
Anyway, when does Rus Fed announce the World team? I'm wondering if Mikhail will (or need to) compete at the Cup of Russia Final. And I wonder who else will be there too. Gorshkov, Voronov, Menshov, and probably Adian if he's alright?
Kolyada beat kovtun in fs so kovtun should be forced to do cor final! He was so horrendous! Lost to bychenko. All russian men should be forced to do cor final. Russian mens senior program could be considered dead right now. They might lose all spots for worlds and maybe no peyongcheng spot.
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All spots? Is that even possible? I think you have taken your alarmist tendencies to a whole new level. But, well, the upside of that is, that anything less bad than what you prophecy will look good in comparison.
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At this point I'm honestly not sure if gmyers is even serious about what he's writing there. No, you can't lose all spots. And even losing the 2nd one is actually rather... difficult. Of course it might happen, but the combined total only has to be 28. As long as one Russian men makes the top 10, they're safe. As long as both make the LP (and I really can't see either not doing that) one of them only has to be 12th. They might lose the 2nd spot since anything can happen in the ice, but it really doesn't look likely at this point.
And I also disagree with sending all the men to the Russian Cup final. There is no sense in having them do too many competitions and be exhausted at worlds in the end.
And I also disagree with sending all the men to the Russian Cup final. There is no sense in having them do too many competitions and be exhausted at worlds in the end.
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It seems an interview with Voronov was aired today:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3pbd00_sergei-voronov-interview-mir24-tv-jan-29-2016_sport
I heard he's talking about something like the state of Russian men and his thought on the Euros. If anyone could give an overview of what he's saying, that'll be very much appreciated...!
He looks very nice in this interview :luv17:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3pbd00_sergei-voronov-interview-mir24-tv-jan-29-2016_sport
I heard he's talking about something like the state of Russian men and his thought on the Euros. If anyone could give an overview of what he's saying, that'll be very much appreciated...!
He looks very nice in this interview :luv17:
All spots? Is that even possible? I think you have taken your alarmist tendencies to a whole new level. But, well, the upside of that is, that anything less bad than what you prophecy will look good in comparison.
Losing second spot this year is almost guaranteed. Then you have one for 2017 and remember kovtun sp performance in 2013? Not making the lp is very possible for kovtun.
Why take the effort to post something one doesnt believe? If you are going to post anything might as well be something you do believe!
You have a reason why my scenario for no peyongchang spots is impossible? But now I know I forgot an Olympic qualifying competiton is always held. So while Russia may not qualify a man based on worlds they probably would via nebelhorn.
2013 was his first trip to worlds and first season as a senior. His only senior competition before worlds was Europeans. He had zero experience and the weight of the whole federation on him to get two spots for the Olympics. The situation today is nowhere near the same. Since then he's been 4th and 7th at worlds and a much more experienced competitor even if still inconsistent. It's clear you do like him and want him off the scene so your not even thinking fair.
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You said say might lose all spots for worlds - and that's not possible. Because of the rules about the entries for ISU competitions, found on this site. Specifically, page 24:
"Number of entries: In ISU Championships, each Member, except Special Clubs, provided they enter Competitors having achieved the Minimum Total Elements Scores as outlined in paragraph 3 below, may enter at least one Competitor per discipline (Man, Lady, Pair Skating couple, Ice Dance couple);"
So no matter what the Russian men do at worlds 2016, at least one men will go to worlds 2017.
Qualifying for the Olympics is a bit more complicated, but still, it's very over-dramatic to say it looks likely for the Russian men to have no spot there.
He went down this season a lot! He became consistently bad.
Since I read that obviously no spots for worlds is impossible but still iffy for Olympics. Not good however how kolyada and petrov were totally rejected by euros judges in pcs.
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Well, maybe the other guys could skate better.
Also, it's thanks to the "mediocre" Kovtun that Russia has still had 2 spots at Worlds the past two years (if Russia had relied on Voronov, they'd only have 1 spot at Worlds this year). I'd say he redeemed himself since WC2013 when he was stupidly tossed as a Junior into a Senior Worlds prematurely leaving Russia with only 1 Sochi spot (which of course, wasn't used ultimately).
Also, that "extreme mediocrity" is the only Russian to have won a GP in the past 6 years (having won both GPs last season) -- not to mention he JUST won bronze at Euros, with his mediocrity.
If Russia retired Kovtun right now, they'd have to rely on Kolyada (a junior coming up) and Petrov (who doesn't even have a quad)... Pitkeev tanked at Nats, as did Voronov and Menshov.
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Okay, just got a chance to watch this though my comp doesn't like dailymotion at all alas. Sergei is a very likeable nice guy, but tbh he didnt say anything new or particularly interesting, as I understand the interview took place prior to Euros so he could not possibly comment on the results. Only at the very end when asked if he felt angry about not being on the Euro team, he said that yes he was disappointed after medalling at two Euros but that he knows Mika & Sasha and on good terms with them and happy for them especially for Mika as he was coming back after a serious injury.
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A big interview with Kolyada on icenetwork:
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2016/02/01/163359272
'Kolyada is an actor on the ice -- a rare feat in today's Russian skating. He interprets each one of the characters he portrays.''
Meanwhile the comments from Russian fed officials indicate that his Worlds spot maybe not be guaranteed yet:
http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/1036784713.html
''Many like Kolyada but as far as I know this skater, it takes a long time for him to incorporate difficult elements into programs. At present we need not one but three quads. Potentially Kolyada is capable of that.''
Here we go again, let the quads race begin...:yes:
Alexander Kogan's statement:
http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/1036791276.html
'World team will be announced at the beginning of March''
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2016/02/01/163359272
'Kolyada is an actor on the ice -- a rare feat in today's Russian skating. He interprets each one of the characters he portrays.''
Meanwhile the comments from Russian fed officials indicate that his Worlds spot maybe not be guaranteed yet:
http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/1036784713.html
''Many like Kolyada but as far as I know this skater, it takes a long time for him to incorporate difficult elements into programs. At present we need not one but three quads. Potentially Kolyada is capable of that.''
Here we go again, let the quads race begin...:yes:
Alexander Kogan's statement:
http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/1036791276.html
'World team will be announced at the beginning of March''
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I know some people love Kolyada but they got a strange way of showing it. Why would they want him number one right out of the gate at his young age when he clearly isn't ready yet? Why put all that instant pressure on him and deny him the chance to grow at his own pace? I know people dislike Kovtun but admit it or not at this moment he still the best male skater Russia has. Kolyada and Petrov have great potential but they are not ready to carry Russian men's skating. Kovtun is doing a decent job even if its not a brilliant one.
Yeah, I don't like Kovtun's skating, but he's been carrying the program in the last two years or so. Since he's not a brilliant skater, he can't do it brilliantly, but his results are okay. In Bratislava he bombed the FS, but still fought for all the jumps and in the end (with Brezina's generous help...) that made it possible for him to stay on the podium. You could also argue that the Russian fed played quite a role in the way he develop/didn't develop. They IMO overburdened him with expectations early on and he crashed. Something they're prone to do in all disciplines...
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