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One of Eteri moments at the jumping competition:
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A vid of Eteri taken from 1TV channel originally, this time completely technical, about training, skating and jumping technique etc.
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In ultra-c jumps, there should be as close as possible to the ideal combination of speed, jump height, repulsion force, rotate intensity, the angular speed of the athlete during rotation in the air, as well as landing, that is, the speed of out from the jump. You need to try to perform such jumps in competitions in exactly the same way as it was done in training. Sometimes an athlete, under the influence of adrenaline, picks up a little more speed than necessary, or, conversely, starts to move more slowly, and this will most likely lead to mistake.
We have six jumps in figure skating. There are edge and toe jumps, there are jumps that are performed from the left foot, there are jumps that are performed from the right foot. The gradation of jumps is as follows: axel, toe loop, salchow, loop, flip and lutz - this is the most expensive jump. The axel is done like this: I skate on my left foot, catch myself with my right side and rotate into jump. When doing a toe loop, I skate on my right foot and turn in the direction of movement, that is, I begin to rotate in the same direction.
Salchow - I skate to the left edge jump, start the rotation with the right side of the body and again spin in the same direction where I am moving. Loop. When doing a loop, there is no way to swing the leg, this is not a toe jump, but nevertheless, there is also no change of direction here - here I am skating on my left foot and “pick up” myself with my right hand, starting the rotation.
Flip. I set the direction, the inertia of movement, the inertia of spin, I do an additional pushing with my foot - one, then I bend the knee and then begin rotate in the same direction. And now Lutz. This jump is different because I have to fly out of the circle and not in the direction of moving. And I fly out of the circle through the outer edge. That is why this jump is considered the most difficult.
(the performance of the jump is demonstrated)
Let's now look at the track left by the blades of the skates. Here are the two footprints left by the skater, one blade print after the other (pointing fingers directly on the ice). That is, we see a good, normal outer edge and pushing from the circle.
Sometimes it happens that an athlete, feeling tired, begins to swing himself. This means that he is skating, and he does not have enough momentum, because he was tired and during the entrance to the jump he could not gain the necessary speed. The main reason [for such problems] is improper preparation. That is, the athlete, for some reason, did not perform the program during the training session. Maybe the reason was illness, maybe the reason was ignoring the instructions of the coach. But now he is trying, skating, using all his abilities, but he has not gained the necessary speed. What is he trying to do in this case? He tries to swing his body and through this create the necessary inertia of the jump. But this is not always a good solution. First of all, the result may be an wrong edge, or at least an obscure edge. In addition, the swing that the athlete himself created during pushing will then appear during the landing. That is, we will see an athlete who skates like this (shows) and tries to swing himself like this.
Of course, the technical team does not have the opportunity to go out onto the ice and study the trace left by the skates. That's why they use video replays. And here there are such subtleties that... Sometimes we “hide” some jumps that may be dubious. But hiding something from the technical team is very difficult. What do they see? They see the skate, the slope of which changes, and the blade creates a reflection when pushed. This reflection, which occurs when the edge is changed, is clearly visible. And if the technical team is not sure, then they give this question to the judges.
Each technical team consists of three people - a technical specialist, a controller and an assistant to a technical specialist. Jumps are called by a technical specialist. If the controller has no objections, then he is silent. If, in the process of executing the program, he has objections, then he says: Review. This turns on the red light. After the end of the program, the revision of the element that caused doubts or objections begins. Judges are not allowed to issue a GOE until the technical panel has “released” this element.
So they look, and the technician says, "I'm seeing the wrong edge." The controller says: "I do not agree." And only in this case the assistant technician speaks out. He has no right to say “I have no opinion”, he must take one of the sides of the dispute. It is for this reason that the technical team consists of three people.
(demonstrates a blade print on the ice)
Here it swayed, deviated a little to the side, but it still cannot be called an internal edge. This is the right direction, but still this pushing raises a question.
(a jump is demonstrated, then a trace on the ice again)
Here is the imprint of the toe pick. And here is the inner edge. And if you depict it in slow motion, then it will happen something like this (Eteri stands on the ice in the position “before the jump”). That is, when pushing, you must already set the spin and “fly up”.
Sometimes the problem of an wrong edge can be called anatomical. There are clumsy athletes whose legs look like the letter “X”. There are athletes whose legs look like the letter “O” - it is easier for them to master jumps with an external edge, while it is more difficult to keep the inside edge. Such an athlete can make an inside edge, but it is more difficult for him, and during the competition, under the influence of fatigue or adrenaline, he may not be able to cope. Therefore, we see how an athlete in one tournament has an incorrect edge, and this mistake disappears in another tournament. Of course, this is very individual - how he holds the edge at that moment, how he copes with the problem, how carefully he looked after himself. There are athletes who perform all the jumps competently and control it all.
There are, of course, people with perfectly even legs, but this is quite rare - after all, each of us has our own characteristics. No, I think that everything is correct (that is, the rules for performing jumps), everything should be preserved.
(winks) I would raise the cost of quads a bit. But ISU deliberately reduced the cost of quads, so that the athletes do not chase after the complexity of the elements, but pay attention to the cleanliness of skating, because there are spectators who want to see a complete picture of the program, and not something like “fell, got up, fell, got up". From this, the impression is lost, and the risk of injury increases. So they lowered the cost of jumping a bit. As a result, it all sometimes looks like this: a skater jumped, jumped, jumped - and still lost to another athlete who had only two or three quads, because his elements were made more cleanly, and for each of them the judges gave higher additional points. At the same time, the skater who jumped many times gets deductions. All his quads were equal in value to triple jumps, and the audience sits and does not understand: “How is it, because he jumped so much?”. And the second athlete seemed to just come out and waved his hand, but he did it beautifully, he demonstrated the image and kept this image throughout the program. The first skater did not succeed, because he was chasing jumps.
We have what I call "left-footed athletes" and we have "right-footed athletes." And although the loop, flip and lutz are considered the most difficult jumps to perform, for some athletes these jumps are easier, because such skaters can use their stronger leg to push off the ice. For example, Alina Zagitova, Anna Shcherbakova and Alexandra Trusova are right-footed athletes. Kamila Valieva and Sofya Akatieva are left-footed athletes. For them, simpler jumps are Axel, Salchow and Toe loop.
In any case, we train all the jumps. It's just that those jumps that are easier for the athlete also become more stable, which provides a certain reliability. In addition, it takes less time to warm up before such a jump. And even if the athlete has some kind of injury, or if he is not feeling very well, we can be sure of their jumps.
There is such a thing - "preservation of the rhythm of jumps." That is, there was enter in jump, some steps, something else, one-two-three-four, a skating arc, repulsion-landing, repulsion-landing. If an athlete goes into a cascade with a loop, there can be no mistakes here. That is, the athlete lands on the same foot and must skillfully push up from ice with this foot. If toe loop still allows you to make a small mistake, the athlete can swing himself, take a more correct position and only after that push off, then when doing the loop, you will not be able to do something like that. In other words, cascades with loops are more risky. As a result, now that the difference in cost between the loop and the toe loop has decreased, this cascade is performed less frequently. But the judges remained the same, they understand that in this case the complexity is higher, the risk is higher. And if an athlete, especially in a short program, allows himself to perform such a combination, this means that his level of skill of such elements is much higher.
In modern figure skating there are two judging teams. The first of them is the technical team, which determines the correctness of pushing and clean of the landing of the jumps. Based on the verdict of the technical team, the judging team sets the GOE values, which can be either positive or negative. The presence of high speed before the jump, the presence of any difficult steps, the jump performed without loss of speed in the rhythm of these steps are taken into account. In addition, the position in the air, the correctness of taken off are taken into account. If an athlete performed a jump or cascade without slowing down, this is doubly valuable.
Negative GOE values are due to athlete mistakes. Mistakes are different, and for each of them there may be a special downgrade. For example, a double “three turn” in a cascade between jumps, as well as a stepout, can become a mistake. The reduction for a stepout is two or more, depending on how gross the mistake was. Another mistake is touching the ice with hand. It may happen that the athlete leaned on his arm. When watching the slow motion replay, the technical team sees that the center of gravity was transferred to this hand, and if the hand was removed, there would be a fall - and the result is -1, although there was no real fall.
The judging panel looks at the athlete as a whole - they look at how the skater enters the jump, how the hands moved, what was the position in the air, and so on. The technical team only looks at the legs. They are interested how skaters taking off the ice and landing - how clean it was. They are not interested in the position of the athlete in the air, they have other tasks.
Flip and lutz are sometimes marked with an exclamation mark. This happens if the technical team is not sure about the cleanliness of the taking off from the ice. In this case, each of the judges has the right to independently study the repetitions in order to come to his own opinion - whether he sees some kind of mistake, or whether he considers the taking off from the ice to be ideal. This is why we often see discrepancies in GOE scores - one judge gives -2 and another +2.
We (in Khrustalny) have video cameras, and we, like judges, work with a video replay system. We record videos and show these videos to athletes, because very often their own impressions do not match reality. And when the coach just talks about it, there is a little distrust, because the athlete himself felt that he did the right jump. And if you tell him that he did not rotated half a turn, it can even cause offense. But if you show him the video, then it will be impossible to argue.
When we prepare for a competition, we have a six-minute warm-up, then a video of the performance is recorded, and I evaluate each element in exactly the same way as the judges do during a real tournament and record the marks and comments in a special document. After I and athlete watch the video replay and I'm explaining how I scored the elements.
(show jumping)
So, what have we now seen in this jump? We saw good speed, good position before the jump, correct position in the air. The jump was executed without loss of speed. After that - a landing and a good, aesthetic exit from the jump. That is, all those moments that could affect the GOE were shown here. Well, the subsequent judicial assessment is partly a subjective thing. Each judge has their own opinion on how high the jump should be and so on. But I think this jump should get a GOE of at least +2 or more.
(points to monitor)
First, the replay for the judge team is turned on. They see the beautiful pose of the skater before the jump. The athlete performs an entry without preparation. The technician sees the correct outside edge when pushing off from the ice. Then we look at the position in the air. Everything is fine here, the athlete is straightened, both hands are raised. And landing. Clean execution and a good exit, which is closed from the view of my back.
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From the backstage of jumping comeptition:
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The current students should be concerned. Looks like Eteri has a new favorite. Haha
The channel also made mentioned that that’s 8 in a row for Eteri students. That’s quite a run.
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Lots of people should take these words to heart: https://fs-gossips.com/i-wish-to-ev...ve-new-years-greetings-from-eteri-tutberidze/
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TT running a poll to see whose autograph will be the next one offered in their contest.
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Medvedeva and Anna are neck and neck. 28% to 27%.
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Medvedeva and Anna are neck and neck. 28% to 27%.
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Is Arina team Tut now https://www.instagram.com/p/Cto_m_uo7wa/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==?
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