Team Russia - Promising Young Skaters

NaVi

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fskate.ru doesn't have a convenient page to see previous results(which aren't 1 to 1 comparable to still interesting), but you can google this to see the previous years(you can go back further):

site:fskate.ru Волкова intitle:2012|2013|2014|2015|2016|2017|2018|2019

What interests me about the historical results is that in the past for the younger group you could see skaters towards the top completely fall off the radar while there were some pretty big names towards the bottom and middle. Part of that had to do with those top names skating while younger than those towards the top(which I try to account for) but a big part had to do with the timetable of development being later than it is now it seems. It's becoming easier to tell by age 9-10 who will be a junior grand prix level skater at 13. Which means that at least in Moscow it's becoming much easier to identify what talent to invest in by age 9-10, easier to identify who should perhaps switch to pairs, and easier for parents to realize that maybe their children should try a different sport. I wonder how far this can be taken with all the data they have... can junior grand prix level skaters be identified at age 8? 7? 6?

Whatever it is, if I was the RusFed I would press my advantages and create a kind of "scholarship"/"skatership" program to help offset the cost of skating up to age 10 for the children of former skaters who reached a certain benchmark... let's say, ever scored over 160 in a significant domestic competition. I'd also start recruiting and similarly support the children of high level athletes(undersized hockey players, lower weight class fighters, shorter triathletes, etc).
 

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There's quite a few more promising skaters, but I do find it really interesting when the child of a coach or skater does well. Maria Zakharova is apparently Anna Tsareva's daughter: https://www.instagram.com/p/B5HtbTDpvZo/

She was 4th at the last(fourth) Cup of Russia event. She just turned 12 in September so she's not eligible for the JGP until 2021-22 season. https://fskate.ru/skaters/5571.html

SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIfHDD6IwD0
FS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyCPxaweryw

It can be quite difficult to google her since she has the same name as a famous government spokeswoman.
 

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Mukhametzyanova/Mironov and Mukhortova/Evgeniev today in action at the 5th stage of the Russian Cup in an altogether good field of Juniors. Looking forward to it.
 

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The first qualifier for the Zhuk memorial nationals is happening now in St Petersburg: http://fskating.spb.ru/images/result/1920/Spbspz20/index.htm channel with full live streams: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7IvcuUJ4AH19WO4Om-44JA

This is interesting because the younger group is basically the first group to have taken up skating in light of Sochi.

SP for younger group:

Anastasia Marasanova (born 2009): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPm0MCyttc (she was on the Ice Age Kids show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zuv1FRpftS8)
Mariana Mukhina (born 2009): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_APDWZRmu1Y
Nadezhda Ponteleenko (born 2009): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C1RCNH067k
Alisa Krygina (born 2011): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpjE1Knz5qo (solo-dance like performance in the elements section... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDvjpAA0zFU)

Top two for older group:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrNITxZKjHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H5fsY5_MiA
 

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The second qualifier for the Zhuk memorial nationals is happening now in Moscow: https://freeskating.info/results/1920/msk_kinder_champs_2020/index.htm

channel with full live streams: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5jyVF4BdVM9IfRjDcMG_5A

channels posting segments: https://www.youtube.com/user/jangiksu0000 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6lxi8exic_gem8Elka6Qgg https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRgrXV9p3mQc0dvfsSSDZ0A https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChu7G-FXwkiEKsuLoiMraSw

TBH, I was really impressed by the performance and skating of top few skaters at St Petersburg in the SP and the elements... but the ones I was most impressed with had issues in the FS. I was not too impressed with the skating and performance from the top ones in Moscow. Perhaps the lighting or ice conditions might be affecting my impressions. TBH, Sofia Titova from Plushenko's school was the one I found most interesting but I think I've seen her skate better before.

I think this young skaters need space to just focus on their skating and performance. I would get rid of the SP for young skaters and just go for element up to age 11.

Here are some previous years protocols:

* 2014: http://ffkm.ru/images/files/013-14/2014-01-14_Ml_vz/Spec_pr_ml_vz_2014.pdf (Kostornaia was 4th in the SP with a 2Lz and a 3S+2T) (last protocol I could find)
* 2015: http://ffkm.ru/images/files/014-15/2015-01-13_Perv_ml_vz/Protokol_perv_ml_vz_2015.pdf
* 2016: http://www.ffkm.ru/images/files/015-16/2016-01-26_Ml_vz/Protokol_Perv_Moskvy_ml_v_2016.pdf
* 2017: http://www.ffkm.ru/images/files/016-17/2017-01-24_Prmlvz/Protokol_Per_mlvz_2017.pdf
* 2018: http://ffkm.ru/images/files/017-18/2018-02-06_PMMV/Protokol_PMMV_2018.pdf
* 2019: http://www.ffkm.ru/images/files/018-19/2019-02-25_PMMV/Protokol_PMMV_2019.pdf

It's interesting to see how things are advancing jump wise.
 

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It's interesting to see how things are advancing jump wise.

Obviously. Thanks to Trusova, the tech race is on, and best to start learning triples and combinations when you're very young, before starting on the ultra-si by the age of 12.
 

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The first qualifier for the Zhuk memorial nationals is happening now in St Petersburg: http://fskating.spb.ru/images/result/1920/Spbspz20/index.htm channel with full live streams: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7IvcuUJ4AH19WO4Om-44JA

This is interesting because the younger group is basically the first group to have taken up skating in light of Sochi.

SP for younger group:

Anastasia Marasanova (born 2009): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPm0MCyttc (she was on the Ice Age Kids show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zuv1FRpftS8)
Mariana Mukhina (born 2009): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_APDWZRmu1Y
Nadezhda Ponteleenko (born 2009): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C1RCNH067k
Alisa Krygina (born 2011): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpjE1Knz5qo (solo-dance like performance in the elements section... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDvjpAA0zFU)

Top two for older group:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrNITxZKjHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H5fsY5_MiA

Goodness, the one named Anastasia has monster jumps. That axel! I caught some of the Moscow, so many had amazing skating skills. I hope the girls who didn't do as well don't get discouraged, so much can change from year to year. Russia really has fantastic coaching/schools etc. for children, they are all just a level above the rest of the world.
 

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Number of either 3Lz or 3F in the top 10 of the SP for the younger group(about 10 years old) without major errors(I will count jumps with very slight negative GOE... )
* 2014: 1 from 1 skaters (Viktoria Vasilieva with a 3F)
* 2015: 1 from 1 skaters (Anna Shcherbakova with a 3F. A few more 3Lo jumps were being done)
* 2016: 0 from 0 skaters (top 2 did 3Lo)
* 2017: 3 from 3 skaters (but Valieva won the SP with a 3T and 3S. 2 of those either left the sport or moved to another country and the other is Akatieva)
* 2018: 3 from 3 skaters (but more were being attempted with bad GOE)
* 2019: 7 from 5 skaters (you start to see skaters doing both 3Lz and 3F)
* 2020: 9 from 7 skaters (the skater who came in 12th did both a 3Lz and 3F with about 0 GOE which would make it 11 from 8 skaters)

Number of intentional double jumps, 3S or 3T attempted in the top 10 of the SP for the younger group. Solo 2A and the 2nd jump in combinations don't count. This better measures attempts at the harder jumps and accounts for the 3Lo too.
* 2014: 17 (3 intentional double jumps)
* 2015: 14 (2 intentional double jumps)
* 2016: 18 (5 intentional double jumps. Valieva did 2 of them. I remember watching this and not feeling optimistic about her future)
* 2017: 12
* 2018: 10 (1 intentional double jump)
* 2019: 5
* 2020: 4

So 9 out of 20 jump passes feature a 3F or 3Lz(with neutralish or above GOE) which is about double the 4 jump passes featuring a 3S or 3T. Two years ago the number of jump passes featuring a 3F or 3Lz was a third of the jump passes featuring a 3S or 3T.
 

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Whoa, seeing this thread in active after so many years gave me the feels. It was this that brought me to GoldenSkate - after Sochi I would come to the then named "Russian juniors are impressive!" to watch videos of skaters that weren't in the Olympics. Eventually I got fed up of only being able to see five pages a day and created an account. Glad to see people still post!
 

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How many goes to the nationals, from this specific qualifier ?

Currently, Gorbacheva's placement is unexpectedly low :think:
No reply ?

Oh well... she won :biggrin:

I wasn't expecting to see Gorbacheva, Loboda and Plakhotnaya this close to each other :think:
 

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