People lack logical reasoning skills.
This Wire article does a good job of explaining many reasons behind the judging controversy - http://www.thewire.com/culture/2014...-figure-skating-gold-medal-was-rigged/358344/
The Judging Controversy Thread
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People lack logical reasoning skills.
This Wire article does a good job of explaining many reasons behind the judging controversy - http://www.thewire.com/culture/2014...-figure-skating-gold-medal-was-rigged/358344/
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Not really... I agree she sets her standards high, but she also said wrong edges are not an issue
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Please. This is a far greater controversy than either of those (most believe Tara over Michelle in 98 was in fact right). As for being rigged some might still be in denial, but all patterns of the figure skating events at these Games along with the pre Games rumors, the proposterous judging panel selected for the womens LP which was almost all ex Soviet satelites and people involved in bans/judging trangressions past, suggest to ALL the figure skating events at these Games being fixed. It just didnt get as much attention due to their not being a clearly wrong result (although there were already some angry after the dance), but thanks to Sotnikova and Putin every winner at these Games will be tainted now, even the clearly deserving ones like V&T due to the simple fact it is now plainly apparent their wins were arranged and bought in advance, deserved or not.
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I hope Sotnikova and her coach feel the pain increasingly to the point it takes away any joy of their farcial win, and continue with the shots back at people and make themselves look even worse to the point they become a pariah in the skating world. I can already see the anger in them starting to fester and I am loving every moment.
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That's really mean. Adelina did not score herself. You want to be angry ok, blame the judges not the 17 year old who went out and skated and did all she could do.
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I've been saying for months now that the judges are given a loaded gun when applying GOE. Here is the ISU guidelines for evaluating and awarding GOE on Jumps,spins,StepSequence..etc as I understand it.
http://www.usfsa.org/content/2013-14 S&P Establishing GOE.pdf
I've been saying THIS IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM!!! Read the last sentence of the first paragraph!! Each element has 8 bulletpoints to satisfy a +1 +2 or +3 GOE . ISU then makes suggestions as to how many bulletpoints should be hit to satisfy the various levels of positive GOE. It then says this is only a suggestion and its at the judges descretion as to how many bullet points need satisfied to award a positive GOE and to what level. That said its within ISU's own guideline that one bulletpoint alone such as #4 (good height and distance)could be the only bullet satisfied and still get a +3 and not be breaking ISU's guidelines. I've brought this up many times and would love for someone to tell me I'm wrong because it seems unfair and as I've posted before....it's a loaded gun for a narrow mind.
That's not even getting into the subjective nature of the bullets themselves.
http://www.usfsa.org/content/2013-14 S&P Establishing GOE.pdf
I've been saying THIS IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM!!! Read the last sentence of the first paragraph!! Each element has 8 bulletpoints to satisfy a +1 +2 or +3 GOE . ISU then makes suggestions as to how many bulletpoints should be hit to satisfy the various levels of positive GOE. It then says this is only a suggestion and its at the judges descretion as to how many bullet points need satisfied to award a positive GOE and to what level. That said its within ISU's own guideline that one bulletpoint alone such as #4 (good height and distance)could be the only bullet satisfied and still get a +3 and not be breaking ISU's guidelines. I've brought this up many times and would love for someone to tell me I'm wrong because it seems unfair and as I've posted before....it's a loaded gun for a narrow mind.
That's not even getting into the subjective nature of the bullets themselves.
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She was incredibly arrogant, acted like she deserved every mark and fully deserved her gold. At the very least I would never in that situation behave that way. I would acknowledge I was helped him home ice, scored generously, and that I understand my win was controversial. So I feel no compassion for her and what she is going to experience the next few weeks. And her arrogant coach is another level entirely (and her coach is no 17 year old but a grown women, and btw given Russian culture a 17 yer old is more than a grown women too, it is different than it is in NA).
ITA. Not an Adelina fan, but some of the comments aimed at her are getting a little ridiculous. Be upset at the scoring, judges, not the skater.
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Here is what is wrong with Adelina's coach's comments. I don't think that Ashley was directly commenting on Adelina. I think Ashley was commenting on how Julia fell and placed above her. But Adelina's coach, with a guilty conscience, assumed Ashley was talking about Adelina. And what is so wrong with Ashley asking to get rid of anonymous judging? It's just her opinion.
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ITA. Not an Adelina fan, but some of the comments aimed at her are getting a little ridiculous. Be upset at the scoring, judges, not the skater.
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ITA. Not an Adelina fan, but some of the comments aimed at her are getting a little ridiculous. Be upset at the scoring, judges, not the skater.
Seconded. I am not an Adelina fan, either, and even I felt her comment was kind of... arrogant in some way, however she is a 17-year-old girl who had just done the biggest win in her life. We can't expect her to be calm and act like a grown woman. What I'm mad with is her score and judges.
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A Russian crowd on the side of a Russian skater. Really? So mob rule should determine Olympic medals?
What did Adelina say that was so arrogant?
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wouldnt have been any different when an American skates lights out in the USA
or Kim in Korea, Mao in Japan, they would given a boost by home crowd cheer
Gwendal Peizerat on EURO SPORTS.
"after the YuNa's performance, the audience except Russians, thought YuNa will...."
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PnaqszGbCFI
"after the YuNa's performance, the audience except Russians, thought YuNa will...."
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PnaqszGbCFI
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Sure. That's human nature. but crowds in America, Korea, and Japan would never have displayed the boorish, loutish, unsportsmanlike behavior the Russian crowds did.
I am thankful for one thing: I can't see Russia getting another winter Olympics in my lifetime.
