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This sport has been dying for a while now, you have to admit. This hot mess might just be the final night cap.
The Judging Controversy Thread
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This sport has been dying for a while now, you have to admit. This hot mess might just be the final night cap.
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But you see, it is not even debatable. ESPN Poll: http://www.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=sportnation&pollId=4198873
The result was wrong. No scoring gymnastics can cover up what the public saw.
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LOL okay, I follow these espn votes on a lot of other sports stuff but they don't actually mean that much. Especially with a small sample size like that. Usually an NBA vote gets waaay more and still doesn't always reflect anything.
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Yeah, actually. It's so funny because there are hardly any fans of Carolina and Mao screaming unfair judging on this board.
It was actually Carolina who was deprived of her gold medal. I think Yuna got what she deserved even if the scoring had been done respectably. A silver. Adelina ought to have gotten a bronze.
And Mao should have gotten a world record breaking top score for her performance in the LP.
I said this somewhere and I'm going to repeat myself, but it bears mentioning again.
You know what's strange to me?
Here we have our three most decorated, most admired, go-down-history-as-the-best female skaters in contemporary time. I'm talking five-time European champion and two Olympic medalists who are all repeat World champions. Who knows how many medals of all colours they have between three of them? Between three of them they have almost three decades worth of skating history and excellence. They represent the absolute best, as close to perfect as we can get, in ladies figure skating. They were the truly dominating force in the last two quads, nevermind who is better than whom. Collectively, they are the best of the best, the best we got.
So, our best three laid down the best possible shorts (-Mao) and frees they have in them. And you know what? They all brought their A game and laid down everything they've got, everything unique to them, everything that makes them them. Mao laid down all her jumps. Caro her pure artistry accompanying a rare clean skate, and Yuna, her steel nerves and poise that let her lay down a clean skate while skating last in her last Olympic while facing the audience that would rather see her fall.
And after all that, the judges told them, Nah, not ONE OF you guys are good enough to beat Adelina with a mistake.
All three of them. At the same time.
And they were all defeated by Adelina at the same time. Not outskated, but defeated in scores.
I'm sorry, that's just wrong. Insulting. And upsetting. ISU is just mocking us at this point.
If it's not some conspiracy between the judges, I'm not sure what it was.
Hmm. As much as I love figure skating, I think this sport has been involved in corruption/controversy scandals too many times. It needs to develop transparency, integrity and avoid conflicts of interest to appreciate true talent and award them with scores they deserve. The current system of anonymous judging and multiple incidents dealing with conflict of interests does not help in achieving these.
Some say Adelina won because her program was more difficult, i.e. higher BV. Some say Yuna should have won because she delivered her program in a graceful, poised manner with better skating skills than Adelina. The old question of Technical Competence vs. Artistry. Adding up points (mathematics) vs emotions. As difficult and impossible it may seem, surely there must be a better way to find a middle point between these two aspects.
Until ISU can devise a system that can truly reflect each skater's performance without corruption, without conflicts of interest, and reducing as much subjectivity as possible (I know that figure skating is subjective, but still), I do think the sport may need to be on the chopping block and at least face a threat of being thrown out.
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But it's pretty clear that 99% of people disagree with the outcome.
Everyone thought Yuna had won her gold, not counting Koreans and Russians.
Who cares???? People are ignorant via salchows and lutzes!
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I was actually happy with Sotnikova farce win since I bet 2000 Can. on it and made 8000 Can. (well really 6000 as I had 8000 returned to my bet365 account after betting 2000). In fact I was relieved. I knew her gold had been bought after the short so it was worth betting on when the idiots who apparently set the odds somehow had not clued into that yet after the short (obviously people who dont follow skating and understand its dynamic). However when Yu Na finished and I saw her odds to win (which had jumped from something like 2-7 pre final to 6-1 after Sotnikove score and skate) fall down to 1-15 briefly I was worried I admit. It just shows how obvious it was to everyone when Yu Na finished she would certainly get the winning score (most were probably guessing a 155 or so based on how low the odds suddenly got), even after the farce 10 points or so too high score for Sotnikova earlier. To my relief they did withhold the bought out result inspite of a skate that made it obvious to all they would have to bypass it and so I still won in the end. Just further reinforces what a crock the whole thing was even more.
In order for this conspiracy to be effectual to the assumed desired outcome of this plot ... practically speaking the whole lot of judges would have to have been bought off looking at the scoring of each judge. It would have taken much more than a couple of judges to rig this result. Especially since the lowest/highest are thrown out. Looking at the spread of scoring from several individuals there is nothing that jumps out and screams conspiracy... well other than people complaining about inflated scores at the Olympics or young teenage skaters improving their programmes in one year.
That's certainly an interesting perspective. I didn't think to consider it from a betting perspective.
But really, generally people thought she was going to win. And they shouldn't have been wrong. They shouldn't have to be told this crap that Oh, maybe it looked like to you that Yuna should win, but nope, she has one less triple, so cannot win. Sorry.
NEVER MIND THAT ADELINA HAD ONE LESS TRIPLE THAN MAO AND STILL OWN BY MILES ANYWAY.
Screw these people. Honest to god. I can't stop fuming.
Uh, you mean in one month. In-season.
One year? Try two months. One year ago, she scored like 50 points less. One to two months ago, she was at ~130. And in two months suddenly her PCS is up by 10 points.
I would like to know that secret.
And according to USA Today, the judges were slanted toward Adelina: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-olympics-adelina-sotnikova-yuna-kim/5680717/
Not sure if you be wiling to believe it, but there you have it.
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How many judges' scores would have to be void in order to reverse the standing though? It looks like it would be very difficult to actually get a different result, unlike the old 6.0 ordinal system. If the whole panel was bought, they might as well just void this entire event.
The most important thing is for the athletes to be scored correctly according to Code of Points.
That's not a compelling case. Looking across the scores the judges collusion would have to be near universal. And I love that she haphazardly tosses Estonia into the mix as if the Baltic states have any residual fraternity with Russia and the former bloc. That's lazy geopolitical ignorance right there. Do people feel the Canadian, Japanese, Italian, and German judges were bought off too? The scandalizing gossipmongering might raise an eyebrow about associations of one or two in order to stir the pot but the whole panel of judges?
