The one spot available for the Milan Olympics?

[soccerjc77]

Do you think that the empress Elizaveta Tuktamysheva could be the one who get that spot ?

I watch this performance :

And feel for her, that she is the victim in all the story in 2022 Olympic. She is the only russia who would have been clean and without cheating without Eteri and Plushenko.

She deserve that spot for the 2026 Olympic in Milan, do you think that could be possible for her to go there ?

 

[Mathman]

Wow, I have so many mixed feelings about that. On the one hand, the sportsman in me says that the spot should go to the very best skater in Russia, never mind politics, war, drugs, etc. If you don't send the best athlete, what is the point of sending anyone at all? Surely the young up-and-comers, led by Petrosian, are better now than Elizaveta who, after all, will be, what, 28 next year?

On the other hand, everybody likes the empress, nobody dislikes her or has any kind of ax to grind with her or her coaches.

No one, that is, except the Ukrainian government, which put sanctions on her for appearing in a skating show that was perceived as favoring the war.

To me, the whole approach of the IOC and the ISU is, shall we say, not very useful to anyone. We want Russia to participate[ate in the Olympic Games, no we don't. Russia is good, no Russia is evil. Sports should rise above politics, -- no, sportsmen should not receive any special consideration compared to everybody else. I just wish that the powers that be would make up their weak minds.

 

[Blades of Passion]

I watch this performance :

And feel for her

Boring, sluggish program with a fall and weak spins. I don't feel bad for her based on this. Wish she could have competed at the 2014 or 2018 Olympics, but unfortunately her peak seasons never lined up.

 

[TallyT]

Tuktamysheva is probably my favourite of the Russians but... I can't see it.

 

[FlossieH]

I don't think Tuktamysheva has competed the past couple of seasons? If she hasn't, she will be a fair way down the selectors list. I don't see it being anyone other than Petrosian.

 

[jorge2912]

Wow, I have so many mixed feelings about that. On the one hand, the sportsman in me says that the spot should go to the very best skater in Russia, never mind politics, war, drugs, etc. If you don't send the best athlete, what is the point of sending anyone at all? Surely the young up-and-comers, led by Petrosian, are better now than Elizaveta who, after all, will be, what, 28 next year?

On the other hand, everybody likes the empress, nobody dislikes her or has any kind of ax to grind with her or her coaches.

No one, that is, except the Ukrainian government, which put sanctions on her for appearing in a skating show that was perceived as favoring the war.

To me, the whole approach of the IOC and the ISU is, shall we say, not vey useful to anyone. We want Russia to participate[ate in the Olympic Games, no we don't. Russia is good, no Russia is evil. Sports should rise above politics, -- no, sportsmen should not receive any special consideration compared to everybody else. I just wish that the powers that be would make up their weak minds.

For that happens she must keep away from politics but is hard that because Russian government supports economically to their sportspersons and at change must be agreed with all that Putin does or says . I hope Elizaveta do all the possible for be neutral athlete or that the war ends soon with a peace treaty for see her in the ice rink.

For other side there's a sanction of WADA because the systematic doping that some athletes did and maybe that also can be a problem for a comeback of any Russian sportspersons to international scene.

 

[Ziotic]

I truly cannot fathom them being allowed to send someone from the team responsible for drugging a 15yr old that caused a massive scandal during the last Olympics. I get they aren’t banned for their doping violations but for the war but team Eteri has also been present for meetings with dear vlad.

 

[Mathman]

I think that the ISU has put themselves in a pickle. What if they decide, perhaps under pressure from the IOC or from political entities, that they have no choice but to consider Petrosian since she is the national champion of the country of AFR (Athletes from Russia). What if she brings a load of quads and whups up on Alysa Liu, Kaori Sakamoto, Nina and Niina, etc. What will the ISU say? "We didn't want you here in the first pale, here's your gold medal, now get out of town."?

 

[Magill]

I think that the ISU has put themselves in a pickle. What if they decide, perhaps under pressure from the IOC or from political entities, that they have no choice but to consider Petrosian since she is the national champion of the country of AFR (Athletes from Russia). What if she brings a load of quads and whups up on Alysa Liu, Kaori Sakamoto, Nina and Niina, etc. What will the ISU say? "We didn't want you here in the first pale, here's your gold medal, now get out of town."?

As I understand, the OARs will be pre-screened against their linkage to political regime and possible support of the Ukrainian war in the past, plus against the forbidden links to those guilty of doping. So this might really be a problem for some of Russian athletes who took part in the pro-war rallies, paraded the Z sign, took selfies with Putin etc. Now it all will come under scrutiny. How exactly it will work - is an open question and remains to be seen. I guess, the final authority will be the Italian embassy granting or refusing visas, Olympics or not, they have the EU-wide visa regulations to comply with.
If they allow Petrosian in - and I have no idea if they have any formal ground to refuse her - she will surely bring tonnes of quads, no doubt about that...

 

[TallyT]

How exactly it will work - is an open question and remains to be seen. I guess, the final authority will be the Italian embassy granting or refusing visas, Olympics or not, they have the EU-wide visa regulations to comply with.

Yes, I would suggest that to avoid embarrassment if not losing one of their places, the Russians take Italy's possible entry decisions into account for each competitor. What fun...

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

How exactly it will work - is an open question and remains to be seen. I guess, the final authority will be the Italian embassy granting or refusing visas, Olympics or not, they have the EU-wide visa regulations to comply with.

Yes, I would suggest that to avoid embarrassment if not losing one of their places, the Russians take Italy's possible entry decisions into account for each competitor. What fun...

Ooooh, it never even crossed my mind that it could all come down to getting a visa.

Well, in that case, there is only one person the Russians can go for without fear of rejection - Nikol Gosviani. Lives in Italy; married to an Italian (Leo-Luca Sforza). And she has never been coached by Eteri, so is unsullied by the controversies that surround that camp.

Sure, Nikol hasn't competed in a decade (she's been doing "Cirque du Soleil" with her hubby). But that is just a minor detail.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[Mathman]

Yes, I would suggest that to avoid embarrassment if not losing one of their places, the Russians take Italy's possible entry decisions into account for each competitor. What fun...

I am in doubt about the procedure. Does the Russian Skating Federation decide who to"send" or does the ISU decide who to "invite"?

Will the Russian figure skating establishment be willing to swallow its pride and send the B team, keeping their (politically incorrect) stars at home, or will they say, "Nuts to you, ISU?" Will the "Athletes from Russia" come to Milano. sing their national anthem and wave their flag in the faces of ISU and IOC officialdom, or will they meekly accept the fact that they are second-class citizens and personae non gatae?

Will the ISU accept the responsibility of "vetting" the proposed skaters? Will ISU vetting satisfy Italian visa people or are such officialst separately on the lookout for "undesirables" trying to sneak into Italy for nefarious purposes? (You can't be too careful when it comes to 15 year old figure skaters.)

 

[TallyT]

Oh I don't expect there to be any visa problems but the world is volatile at the minute.

 

[gmyers]

As I understand, the OARs will be pre-screened against their linkage to political regime and possible support of the Ukrainian war in the past, plus against the forbidden links to those guilty of doping. So this might really be a problem for some of Russian athletes who took part in the pro-war rallies, paraded the Z sign, took selfies with Putin etc. Now it all will come under scrutiny. How exactly it will work - is an open question and remains to be seen. I guess, the final authority will be the Italian embassy granting or refusing visas, Olympics or not, they have the EU-wide visa regulations to comply with.
If they allow Petrosian in - and I have no idea if they have any formal ground to refuse her - she will surely bring tonnes of quads, no doubt about that...

If an American took money from t bank or channel one they would go to jail for violating sanctions because those organizations are considered pro war. All Russian skaters have taken money from both!! If they enforce implicit nonverbal support of war harshly and strictly taking money from t bank and channel one is disqualifier and virtually everyone is disqualified! Even tuktamisheva and because of her admitting to taking banned drug she may not have been allowed for that.

 

[gmyers]

I am in doubt about the procedure. Does the Russian Skating Federation decide who to"send" or does the ISU decide who to "invite"?

Will the Russian figure skating establishment be willing to swallow its pride and send the B team, keeping their (politically incorrect) stars at home, or will they say, "Nuts to you, ISU?" Will the "Athletes from Russia" come to Milano. sing their national anthem and wave their flag in the faces of ISU and IOC officialdom, or will they meekly accept the fact that they are second-class citizens and personae non gatae?

Will the ISU accept the responsibility of "vetting" the proposed skaters? Will ISU vetting satisfy Italian visa people or are such officialst separately on the lookout for "undesirables" trying to sneak into Italy for nefarious purposes? (You can't be too careful when it comes to 15 year old figure skaters.)

If sport radar says athlete is neutral and that is affirmed by special committee isu could still say no! There are 3 stages! Two of the stages new evidence can be submitted and new arguments considered.

 

[TontoK]

And all the lawyers said "Hallelujah!" for this approach of denying athletes connected to coaches connected to PED... whatever "connected" means in both degrees of connectedness, and, as a bonus, throwing in the "support the war" phrasing... whatever "support" means.

The whole thing (as I understand it, and I am NOT a lawyer) is loosely defined. Virtually any serious skater in Russia could be challenged one way or the other. It's messy, but it's always messy when you mix politics and sport. The cleanest policy decision would have been they're all in or they're all out. Honestly, if I were Russia, I'd name whoever I wanted and make the ISU defend its decision.

What I suspect will really happen is that by the time we reach "Chinese Nebelhorn" the backroom deals will be made.

 

[Skating91]

The "Empress" has not competed since March 2023 and can barely land a double axel. She's quite fond of a glass of wine (as am I ). Still, it was incredible what she achieved (albeit with the advantage of being exceedingly tiny like a Petrosian, Levito, Sakamoto, Liu, Chiba). She also admits to using something that will get my post deleted (although this something is nothing more than a placebo pick me up you find at a street corner drink stand in Russia). I don't understand the double standards is all. Maybe because she is not an Eteri skater?

Obviously the number one pick will be Petrosian who has never done anything to offend anyone in her life, sat on the side lines patiently awaiting her opportunity. Still the ISU play games we're into May and claim they haven't made up their mind and this isn't a priority to them. What about the other skaters? Maybe the Americans or Japanese would like to know what they are up against in February next year and start training for this? I think the longer the ISU wait the bigger the advantage they give to Petrosian or Gorbachova.

One thing is for sure. The Olympic gold will have an asterisk against it if the best in the world are denied competing.

 

[Mathman]

The cleanest policy decision would have been they're all in or they're all out. Honestly, if I were Russia, I'd name whoever I wanted and make the ISU defend its decision.

I agree with both of these two sentences. The USU should say flat out, we don't want you at our party and you are not invited. Or not.

Then Russia could say, "Whatever. We don't want to come to your stupid party anyway -- we've got our own thing going."

As for war and peace, shall we "negotiate" a cease fire? What's to negotiate? All Mr. P. has to do of he wants a cease fire is to cease firing -- and the war is over.

I guess that is why I am not a politician.

 

[gmyers]

Because of all the speed skaters it’s possible sport radar is dealing with hundreds of accounts and they have to check each skaters multiple accounts and English and Russian

But sport radar found anonymous Twitter users in a few weeks

They are being given all info

Now they did say a group like sport radar. That’s top of the line. That’s Neiman Marcus. I can say I’m buying a shirt at neiman Marcus but buy it from wal mart

It’s possible isu is using wal mart Sportradar

 

[Mathman]

If an American took money from t bank or channel one they would go to jail for violating sanctions because those organizations are considered pro war...

My impression of the sanctions imposed by EU member nations are more along the lines of freezing the assets of billionaire oligarchs and of the financial institutions themselves. I doubt that they are investing any resources in tracking down ordinary people who have a bank account somewhere.