this icenetwork monopoly

[fiercemao]

I tried to find Joubert's program, and I couldn't find it. .

I'm not sure what you were talking about. You type in 'Jourbert' in 'search' box, and everything will come up. If you can't find the video you want, that probably means nobody has posted it. Remember dailymotion does not have as many figure skating fans as youtube yet. It will come.

Here's what i got for searching 'Jourbert'...

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Joubert

 

[Pixie Cut]

I don't know why IN defenders keep confusing things or misleading us. IN does NOT own any right outside US, internet or not. People are complaining their ridiculous claim of rights on videos produced by European broadcast, uploaded by Europeans, viewed by Europeans.

You need to be clear in your point. In order to get a video taken down from YouTube, Icenetwork would need to demonstrate that it owns the content. This means they would have to show that the video originated from Icenetwork. YouTube would not remove a video that came from Eurosport unless Eurosport complained.

Are you complaining that Icenetwork is having Icenetwork videos taken down when those videos on YouTube might be seen outside the U.S. where they don't have the rights? If the video content originated from the Icenetwork site, they have a right to have it taken down, even for those viewers outside of the U.S. If what they're having taken down is video generated from another source, then you have every right to complain.

 

[Tonichelle]

actually I think the argument is 'broadcasting' rights... not who owns the footage. just who has the RIGHTS to BROADCAST the stuff on the internet so AMERICANS can watch.

since YouTube does not black out Americans from viewing they are in violation.

 

[Fsqueen]

visaliakid and IN are

 

[fiercemao]

You need to be clear in your point. In order to get a video taken down from YouTube, Icenetwork would need to demonstrate that it owns the content. This means they would have to show that the video originated from Icenetwork. YouTube would not remove a video that came from Eurosport unless Eurosport complained.

Are you complaining that Icenetwork is having Icenetwork videos taken down when those videos on YouTube might be seen outside the U.S. where they don't have the rights? If the video content originated from the Icenetwork site, they have a right to have it taken down, even for those viewers outside of the U.S. If what they're having taken down is video generated from another source, then you have every right to complain.

YES Gosh, I'm so frustrated that posters like you are still not getting our message. The IN apologists on this board are doing a magnificnet job muddying the water.

This is exactly what's happening. Nearly nobody has posted any video of GP events produced by Icenetwork to youtbe. IN is forcing youtube to take down videos produced by Eurosports, CCTV5, CBC etc. Their flimsy excuse is that other Americans can still 'illegally' see those videos on internet, therefore it still violates their 'rights', which is really the root cause of our outrage.



Youtube is a willing accomplice in this farce because they're located in US, and it becomes an easy target for IN to harrass them. If you read youtube's statement carefully, it does not explicitly say the content belongs to usfigureskating.

Other video sites such as dailymotion are giving a middle finger to IN's ridiculous claim.

 

[Particle Man]

Various points:

- Whether the video belongs to IN or not, it belongs to someone. People arguing that "everything should be free" are being ridiculous
- IN video quality is pretty crappy IMO, I expect a little more
- IN blackout restrictions are beyond idiotic, and totally contradict their stance on youtube availablility
- $30/year is a pretty good deal for all the live feeds and on-demand
- Hunting around for all the pieces of competitions on youtube or other places, many parts being missing, worse video quality -- just sucks, whether it's free and legal or not. IN gives the full comp from beginning to end, which gives the closest thing to being there. Youtube can't do that.

 

[oleada]

I have an IceNetwork subscription. However -

1. I completely disagree with them removing videos from feeds not of IceNetwork from YouTube. If it's a video originally from IN, I understand - but they're removing videos from Russian NTV+, Eurosport and so on.
2. They are trying to regulate what the world watches. That's wrong, IMO. Users with difficult to find videos (like from this year's JGP for example) are getting their accounts deleted, and that, quite frankly, pisses me off. It only harms the popularity of the sport.
3. They are also removing videos from last season's GP, which they didn't even broadcast.
4. Their quality isn't all that great and I got blacked out even though I'm in the continental US. Their customer service sucks, as well. And their articles are pretty much crap. I don't think they're fact checked or spell checked. They get things wrong ALL THE TIME!
5. They should get with the times and use YouTube as way of promoting the sport. Like it or not, YouTube is here to stay. It's the new way of viewing sports.

Therefore, they will not be getting my money next season. I'll be subscribing to WebTV.

 

[Tonichelle]

they're not regulating what the world watches, just the Americans... all youtube and the other groups have to do is block americans from viewing certain videos and voila!

as its been stated over and over in the 4 or 5 threads on the SAME SUBJECT (talk about beating a dead horse) the reason vids from other seasons have gone away is because the people who posted them had their accounts banned for violating the rules with vids from THIS season.

 

[oleada]

But they weren't videos that were from IN's feed in the first place! And how does having rare videos removed benefit the sport?

Americans are the only ones who watch YT. And like I said - if not YT, there'll be DailyMotion and so on. It's here to stay. IN should embrace it.

Honestly? I'm hating IN right now.

 

[tarotx]

The Icenetwork is paying for the US internet rights to these competitions not just the feeds. Since Youtube and similar sites don't block ISP's from certain countries then Icenetwork has the right and responsibility to ask for the videos to be removed.

I do think that Icenetwork should allow things to be posted after the season ends. Or Perhaps even having an offical Icenetwork Youtube site that has some videos and a few interviews and backstage segments that has a link to their own site. It would be useful advertising to fans who Dl that on Icenetwork you can watch live streams and have the ability to rewatch or watch the recorded version later. Just for the price of a pair of jeans.

 

[Tonichelle]

it doesn't matter WHERE the coverage is COMING from/out of (or WHO actually SHOT it) it is WHO is able to WATCH it. IF Americans were unable to view the vids you'd be fine.

IF the people who had the 'older footage' hadn't posted GP vids from this season we'd still have the older stuff. That isn't IN asking for the older footage to be taken down. When a youtuber is banned EVERYTHING goes... from skating vids to Junior's first bike ride.

 

[oleada]

Actually, I'm pretty sure they've been removing GP videos from last season.
I'm blacked out AGAIN! For the second time in a week. Last I heard Austin, Texas was part of the US....

 

[centerpt1]

Last I heard Austin, Texas was part of the US....

Hmmm- isn't there a move afoot to have Texas declare independence and seceed from the US?

Just had to put in a word from someone who went from a casual viewer of Figure skating (although I went to watch Worlds when they were in DC...2003? I think) to a pretty avid fan-who now subscribes to IN, and follows several favorite skaters and pairs. What increased my interest in skating??? All the videos on youtube and similar providers. I had just happened to see a TV broadcast of Nationals...saw Jeremy Abbott, liked his skating, and looked up videos of him skating on youtube. Then I started looking up other skaters based on what came up as "related videos" on you tube. I really became interested, and ended up subscribing to IN.

I really don't see youtube as a threat to IN. It's more like advertising. It's a way to bring skating to more people. It gives them a little taste.....they're sure to want more.

 

[Mathman]

^ +1. And welcome to the forum. Post often, post long! :agree: (How lucky you were to get to see Shen and Zhao's 2003 Worlds LP in person!)

 

[Kimmie Fan]

Apparently IN can't force DailyMotion to remove the videos.
So, those of us that are eager to post and view current GP videos, you have your outlet.

I consider this matter closed.

 

[oleada]

centerpt said it better than I could
I subscribed to IN for the live streaming. If I want to see just one specific skate, I got to youtube.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

All Youtubes are equal, but some are more equal than others. (There I go again!)

While I like them, I never got the feeling of being at the competition as a whole. I was, and to a lesser extent a traveller to competitions. That's how I enjoy them most, and youtubes did not give me that. I now am somewhat happier with icenetwork which shows the comp as if I were there especially since the economy took a big bite out of my reirement finances.

I really don't want to look for 12 separate youtubes to form a comp for each event. I would pay more than the subscriber amount to get the LIVE since I am not travelling so much the money is there.

 

[lmarie086]

centerpt said it better than I could
I subscribed to IN for the live streaming. If I want to see just one specific skate, I got to youtube.

Exactly. They got our money for what it was intended; to see live coverage. Youtube is there to see old performances, or one specific skater. And like you, I've been blacked out again and Southeastern CT is indeed part of the US, whether IN disagrees with me or not.

 

[fiercemao]

Are we winning the war against Icenetwork(youtube gives in??)

Wow, it looks like Icenetwork has experienced a setback in their war against us, the people! Have you guys noticed that youtube has come up with a new disclaimer that you can volunteer to choose a 'country filter' in order to abide by the copyrights laws. I guess this means as an American, youtube gives you an option not to watch figure skating videos from other countries. Whether you choose to be an obedient law-abiding sheep for Icenwork, youtube does not care.

Icenetwork can keep on whining, but they're apparently the biggest loser in their unpopular aggression against us!!

I assume youtube will give a middle finger to icenetwork and no longer take down grand prix videos. Let's see how much longer these NHK videos will last after those IN jerks complain it to youtube.

Mao Asada SP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP3FBpkQRlk

Mao Asada LP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-ebh8odNJg

Cynthia Phaneuf LP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAxoaw2C6w0

 

[anya_angie]

I do not have a subscription to IN, purely because I read the comp reports here and there seems to be times during every competition where it freezes, so might not be worth the money. However, if as some say, the taped coverage is better, I would not mind paying for a subscription. Maybe come January I will buy one.

As for youtube... I do have a bit of trivia that might be of interest. My favorite morning radio show, BuckHead & Bubba on Pittsburgh's B-94, use youtube all the time to publish their insane wackiness. Anyone can watch these videos, and since the radio station can be heard online, it can be heard by anyone too. What do the videos posted (by them, mind you) on youtube serve to do? PUBLIIZE THE SHOW and generate interest in it. I tell my friends in other states about their silly stunts all the time, and show them the video links that they posted. One of my favorites is when Bubba makes "Chasin' The Devil Wings" for BuckHead to eat on Test Dummy Tuesday. Hilarious stuff. Now of course, they own the rights to those videos so they can post them and remove them as they wish, and of course if someone else were to post them I'm sure they would object, but they use youtube to their advantage to generate interest in their show. So someone here pointed that out and I agree with that. But it should be whatever network's decision to do as they please with their videos, and if others put them on youtube, against their wishes/without consent, then sure, I can understand an objection, whether it be IN or another network. But if IN is just complaining about other networks' vids being placed on youtube, they should not have any claim to those, it should be the other networks' choices to delete those videos.

If IN's picture quality is better, that's wonderful. An idea would be to make two versions, one for their own site and one that they show on youtube purely for the sake of generating interest.. Buckhead & Bubba post their videos on youtube, because it is the most popular video place on the net. Most popular= more interest. People who never even heard of the show watched the video of Bubba sneaking into Kennywood Park to ride the new ride Ghostwood Manor "before anyone else" (and if you hear the actual radio broadcast, which they put on their webside in mp3 form for download, it's even more hilarious).

There are alternatives for people to see coverage on their own time... I'm sure some of you realize that *wink*