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Quote=Antmanb: “What mistakes did Kwan make in the SP in SLC?“
One good thing to come out of the New Judging System is that in the future we will be able to consult those lovely pdf spreadsheets that the ISU provides us with to answer questions like this. ( “Aha! She got a -1 GOE on her triple flip! That’s why she lost!”)
Looking at the judges’ marks for the Salt Lake City short program, in the presentation scores 8 judges put Michelle first, versus Irina, with 1 tie (the Finish judge, for the interest of us conspiracy theorists, LOL. Both the Russian and the Byrorussian judges went with Michelle in presentation, but not overall.).
In the technical score, 6 judges favored Irina, 1 favored Michelle (the Slovakian judge), with 2 ties.
This translated into a 5-4 split in favor of Michelle.
(Block judging anyone? Three “Western” judges – Germany, Italy and U.S.A. – put Sasha ahead of Irina. This is the same Italian judge that put Irina fourth in the free skate. I guess he didn’t like her much.)
Afterwards, Irina said that at first she accepted the results of the short program without comment, because she hadn’t seen Michelle skate. But later when she saw the tapes, she felt that on the technical side, she had beaten Michelle on every required element except the spiral and so was disappointed to have been ranked second.
I will be quite interested to see if this sort of thing will happen under the NJS. Will we see contests where one skater wracks up the points on the tech side, only to be overtaken by superior grace and artistry? Or will the program component scores merely track the tech scores, as we saw in quite a few events last year?
Mathman
One good thing to come out of the New Judging System is that in the future we will be able to consult those lovely pdf spreadsheets that the ISU provides us with to answer questions like this. ( “Aha! She got a -1 GOE on her triple flip! That’s why she lost!”)
Looking at the judges’ marks for the Salt Lake City short program, in the presentation scores 8 judges put Michelle first, versus Irina, with 1 tie (the Finish judge, for the interest of us conspiracy theorists, LOL. Both the Russian and the Byrorussian judges went with Michelle in presentation, but not overall.).
In the technical score, 6 judges favored Irina, 1 favored Michelle (the Slovakian judge), with 2 ties.
This translated into a 5-4 split in favor of Michelle.
(Block judging anyone? Three “Western” judges – Germany, Italy and U.S.A. – put Sasha ahead of Irina. This is the same Italian judge that put Irina fourth in the free skate. I guess he didn’t like her much.)
Afterwards, Irina said that at first she accepted the results of the short program without comment, because she hadn’t seen Michelle skate. But later when she saw the tapes, she felt that on the technical side, she had beaten Michelle on every required element except the spiral and so was disappointed to have been ranked second.
I will be quite interested to see if this sort of thing will happen under the NJS. Will we see contests where one skater wracks up the points on the tech side, only to be overtaken by superior grace and artistry? Or will the program component scores merely track the tech scores, as we saw in quite a few events last year?
Mathman
I don't think it matters much what Irina thinks of her own performance. After all, that's why there are judges. One can better evaluate a performance in the third person. And of course the skater will be biased towards herself! (doesn't help that the judges are biased towards certain skaters themselves.)
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