Weird nail placement on boots??

[sonitaskates!]

hello everyone! thank you for following along my skate progress, im really grateful for all the people whos been checking in,!recently I bought jackson and cornation ace from a different shop. after trying them on in shop, they told me they couldn't just ship them in for me because it was a special order, they recommended a shop. The shop first sent me the wrong blades (lite instead of regular) so i emailed daily to get the regular one, it finally came and I noticed something odd. I was curious to see these nails, why are only some in?? is this normal or should I get It looked into, also just curious, is mounting blades at home a horrible solution? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HzYzJBhDnFw9bj6ZIj3soMxhFB4NhNXuiJsDc-A7lDc/edit?usp=drivesdk

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

hello everyone! thank you for following along my skate progress, im really grateful for all the people whos been checking in,!recently I bought jackson and cornation ace from a different shop. after trying them on in shop, they told me they couldn't just ship them in for me because it was a special order, they recommended a shop. The shop first sent me the wrong blades (lite instead of regular) so i emailed daily to get the regular one, it finally came and I noticed something odd. I was curious to see these nails, why are only some in?? is this normal or should I get It looked into, also just curious, is mounting blades at home a horrible solution? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HzYzJBhDnFw9bj6ZIj3soMxhFB4NhNXuiJsDc-A7lDc/edit?usp=drivesdk

Are you talking about the screws in the front of the boot/blade? That is called a temp or semi-mount and is normal. That is like that until the tech can see if you need the blade moved at all or anything based on your skating and then they'll perma-mount it.

 

[sonitaskates!]

Are you talking about the screws in the front of the boot/blade? That is called a temp or semi-mount and is normal. That is like that until the tech can see if you need the blade moved at all or anything based on your skating and then they'll perma-mount it.

oh okay! thank you so much!

 

[tstop4me]

hello everyone! thank you for following along my skate progress, im really grateful for all the people whos been checking in,!recently I bought jackson and cornation ace from a different shop. after trying them on in shop, they told me they couldn't just ship them in for me because it was a special order, they recommended a shop. The shop first sent me the wrong blades (lite instead of regular) so i emailed daily to get the regular one, it finally came and I noticed something odd. I was curious to see these nails, why are only some in?? is this normal or should I get It looked into, also just curious, is mounting blades at home a horrible solution? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HzYzJBhDnFw9bj6ZIj3soMxhFB4NhNXuiJsDc-A7lDc/edit?usp=drivesdk

What @Ic3Rabbit said is what is supposed to be done, if the blades are mounted in correct sequence. Your photo shows however that the tech has already installed a so-called "permanent" mount that is no longer adjustable (but don't worry; it's really not permanent; it can be fixed if needed).

The sole plate and heel plate each have two types of mounting holes: countersunk circular holes that take flat-head screws, and elongated slots that take round-head or pan-head screws. The heads of the flat-head screws are sunk below (or at most flush with) the surface of the plate. The heads of the round-head or pan-head screws protrude above the surface of the plate (are these protruding heads what you think are nails?).

There are two elongated slots in the sole plate and two elongated slots in the heel plate. For a proper temp mount, screws should be installed only in these four slots. This allows you to make small adjustments to the position of the blade, if needed [you loosen (not remove) these four screws, slide the blade a bit along the slots to a new position, and re-tighten the screws]. Your photo, however, shows 3 flat-head screws in the sole plate and 1 flat-head screw in the heel plate have already been installed in addition.

I'll give more details later, and discuss how to proceed with what you have.

 

[tstop4me]

What @Ic3Rabbit said is what is supposed to be done, if the blades are mounted in correct sequence. Your photo shows however that the tech has already installed a so-called "permanent" mount that is no longer adjustable (but don't worry; it's really not permanent; it can be fixed if needed).

The sole plate and heel plate each have two types of mounting holes: countersunk circular holes that take flat-head screws, and elongated slots that take round-head or pan-head screws. The heads of the flat-head screws are sunk below (or at most flush with) the surface of the plate. The heads of the round-head or pan-head screws protrude above the surface of the plate (are these protruding heads what you think are nails?).

There are two elongated slots in the sole plate and two elongated slots in the heel plate. For a proper temp mount, screws should be installed only in these four slots. This allows you to make small adjustments to the position of the blade, if needed [you loosen (not remove) these four screws, slide the blade a bit along the slots to a new position, and re-tighten the screws]. Your photo, however, shows 3 flat-head screws in the sole plate and 1 flat-head screw in the heel plate have already been installed in addition.

I'll give more details later, and discuss how to proceed with what you have.

Continuation of my above post.

* It's not clear to me who did the mounting. After you were fitted at one shop, you had to order the boots and blades online. Did you then bring the boots and blades in person to a local shop to have the blades mounted? If so, did the tech discuss with you whether you wanted an initial temp mount? Or, ....? Did the tech who did the mounting also sharpen the blades?

* At this point, I suggest you don't worry about the blade mounting. After all it's a done deal. Before proceeding, I would have someone (e.g., coach or skater with the right tools) verify that the edges of the blades are reasonably level.

* Go ahead and break in the boots for ~6 hrs total ice time before making any further decisions. If no one has gone over with you procedures for breaking in new boots, post here for tips.

* Then check for supination/pronation issues. Here's an excerpt from one of my previous posts:

* For skating, an initial series of tests to check for supination/pronation consists of one-foot glides in a nominally straight line. [Caveat: First check to make sure that your blades have been sharpened properly with level edges.]

- Stroke forward to pick up some speed. Glide comfortably on two feet in a nominally straight line. Then lift up one foot (let’s choose the right in this instance) and continue to glide on the other (the left in this instance). Don't force the glide to control it; just let it flow at ease. It’s best to have another person observe you from the back. Ideally, you should glide in a straight line. If possible, do the test on a clean patch of ice. Look at the tracing. Ideally you should see two lines of equal weight, such as | |. If you supinate, you will be biased towards the outside edge; you will veer to the left, and the tracing will look like this: | | (outside edge will be heavier). If you pronate, you will be biased towards the inside edge; you will veer to the right; and the tracing will look like this: | | (inside edge with be heavier). [In extremely screwed-up scenarios, you will see only a single heavy line.]

- Repeat with the other foot: lift up the left, glide on the right.

- Then repeat with one-foot glides backwards.

* Based on your test results, we can decide what to do next. I hope you luck out and can stay with your existing blade mounts.

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

What @Ic3Rabbit said is what is supposed to be done, if the blades are mounted in correct sequence. Your photo shows however that the tech has already installed a so-called "permanent" mount that is no longer adjustable (but don't worry; it's really not permanent; it can be fixed if needed).

The sole plate and heel plate each have two types of mounting holes: countersunk circular holes that take flat-head screws, and elongated slots that take round-head or pan-head screws. The heads of the flat-head screws are sunk below (or at most flush with) the surface of the plate. The heads of the round-head or pan-head screws protrude above the surface of the plate (are these protruding heads what you think are nails?).

There are two elongated slots in the sole plate and two elongated slots in the heel plate. For a proper temp mount, screws should be installed only in these four slots. This allows you to make small adjustments to the position of the blade, if needed [you loosen (not remove) these four screws, slide the blade a bit along the slots to a new position, and re-tighten the screws]. Your photo, however, shows 3 flat-head screws in the sole plate and 1 flat-head screw in the heel plate have already been installed in addition.

I'll give more details later, and discuss how to proceed with what you have.

OP, please follow what tstop says. It was really hard for me to tell if it was semi mounted or perma mounted from your photo.

 

[tstop4me]

OP, please follow what tstop says. It was really hard for me to tell if it was semi mounted or perma mounted from your photo.

Yeah. When I first viewed the photo on a tablet, I couldn't tell what was going on. When I viewed it on a PC and zoomed in, it became clear.

 

[sonitaskates!]

Continuation of my above post.

* It's not clear to me who did the mounting. After you were fitted at one shop, you had to order the boots and blades online. Did you then bring the boots and blades in person to a local shop to have the blades mounted? If so, did the tech discuss with you whether you wanted an initial temp mount? Or, ....? Did the tech who did the mounting also sharpen the blades?

* At this point, I suggest you don't worry about the blade mounting. After all it's a done deal. Before proceeding, I would have someone (e.g., coach or skater with the right tools) verify that the edges of the blades are reasonably level.

* Go ahead and break in the boots for ~6 hrs total ice time before making any further decisions. If no one has gone over with you procedures for breaking in new boots, post here for tips.

* Then check for supination/pronation issues. Here's an excerpt from one of my previous posts:




* Based on your test results, we can decide what to do next. I hope you luck out and can stay with your existing blade mounts.

no I didn't, the boot and blade came mounted and sharpened, there wasn't even a choice. also if i wanted to switch blades is there no choice to do so?

 

[tstop4me]

no I didn't, the boot and blade came mounted and sharpened, there wasn't even a choice. also if i wanted to switch blades is there no choice to do so?

* Hi. Oh. That's bizarre. Typically sharpening and mounting are extra cost options, but not required. Then definitely try to get an independent inspection of the sharpening.

* Are you planning to have a local tech do heat molding?

* Yes, you can switch blades later on, if it makes sense to. You can also have the existing blades re-mounted, if needed. That's why I wrote above:

"Your photo shows however that the tech has already installed a so-called "permanent" mount that is no longer adjustable (but don't worry; it's really not permanent; it can be fixed if needed)." <<<Emphasis added.>>

The term "permanent" mount always causes confusion because skaters think it can't be undone and they're stuck with it. Worst case, the existing screws can be removed; the existing holes can be permanently plugged; and fresh holes can be drilled. That's a major rationale for an initial "temp" mount. If you need to start over with a temp mount, you need to plug only 2 holes in the sole plate and 2 holes in the heel plate. With what you've got now, the worst case scenario is plugging 5 holes in the sole plate and 3 holes in the heel plate. But as I wrote above, let's not worry about that for now. Let's see how your initial straight-line glides are first. And there are other options for compensating for supination/pronation besides re-mounting the blades (if needed).

FYI, as @Ic3Rabbit wrote above, there are alternative terms, instead of "temp" and "permanent" mount, some techs say "semi-mount" and "full mount". But that also leads to confusion because some skaters think that "full mount" means that screws are installed in all screw holes, and they think the tech has messed up because some screws are missing (as in your photo). I personally prefer the terms "adjustable" and "fixed" mount. But no one else uses those terms.