It's probably not delayed puberty. Who knows how old she really is? I allow myself to write this because it's a rumours thread anyway.
Yu/Jin & Peng/Zhang switch partners
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Don't understand why started a "rumor" thread here. 
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So he's the only factor that matters in this equation ?
CHN federation depresses me, thank god Sui\Han are left alone
Well that piece of news seems crazy :shocked: I don't think the Chinese Fed is that crazy (then again, looking at what happened with the Worlds team, I wouldn't really put it past them).
I'm not really willing to believe this rumour until there is real proof though. Also, THIS Tumblr post shows that Y/J are in Toronto working on new programs with David Wilson, sooooooo... :think:
I'm not really willing to believe this rumour until there is real proof though. Also, THIS Tumblr post shows that Y/J are in Toronto working on new programs with David Wilson, sooooooo... :think:
That's the scary thing. It seems like Yu/Jin don't know they might get separated themselves until 2 days ago. They've been training in Toronto for a week and they interacted with fans and shared their experiences there. Everything was fine. Then this news comes out, and Yu/Jin are like poof, GONE...They haven't responded to any questions left on their social media. Fingers crossed...
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Apparently to to Chinese fed Zhang Hao's career is the only thing that matters.
I'm sure a lot of male pair skaters wished they had a partner as weak as Dan Zhang who could land 2A3T as a SBS jump and Quad twist and throws :sarcasm:. Then they "cast" Peng Cheng who is at least 13 years younger and still a junior, (breaking her promising partnership and making her partner retire in the process) and act all surprised when she struggles to keep up with him? Instead of letting her skate with a partner more of her age so they can grow and improve together, as a team!
And Yu Xiaoyu was not exactly the most consistent jumper this year so what's going to happen if she doesn't improve enough and is deemed “not worthy" of skating with Zhang Hao? They would have broken up a great team for nothing.
Yu & Jin are the best Chinese Jr. team since Sui/Han and they have the avantage of being tall with long lines so they already look very mature together. They were clearly the number 2 Sr. team this year but it seems that everything was done to stop them from doing well: Only team not to get new programs (I mean they kept BOTH programs from last year), were entered as a Junior team at the Chinese Games, and then kept off the World team.
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If true, this is probably the most terrible news of the season.
I frankly at this point don't even think Peng is a worse partner than Zhang. Yeah, sure, she can't land a SBS jump to save her life, but at the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS he (the most experienced skater there!) watched her take a terrific fall on a throw, which I do believe was his fault because of how he threw her, and didn't even wait for her before going on to do a SBS jump on his own. He must have known that by jumping without her they'd get no credit for the jump. The only other possibility is that he literally has a mental defect of some kind. What was he trying to prove? 'Oh look at me federation, it's not me it's her?' Uh, no, in that situation it was him. ANY halfway competent partner would have waited for her, jumped late to at least get SOME credit for executing a jump, and then tried to figure out how to catch up the program.
As touched on above, I believe her falls on throws are almost always his fault and due to how he throws her. I also feel he doesn't seem to care about her safety. He may be or seem supportive at the end of programs when she screws up as someone else said, but that's really no excuse and unrelated to blatantly not giving a crap when your partner takes a terrible fall.
As for the rest- it's true as far as it goes that Yu would be a stronger partner for Zhang than Peng is. I really don't see how that matters. There is no godly way Zhang is going to compete beyond the 2018 Olympics... at the 2022 Olympics he would be 40 (or even assuming the Chinese fed did in fact lie about his age, he'd be 37). To take Yu from a very talented, competent, young partner with whom she has the potential to go to 3 Olympics and with whom she furthermore has the potential to medal at those Olympics if the Chinese federation would get their heads out of the sand is terrifically short-sighted. I also do not believe that Zhang would be a better partner for Yu than Jin is. Sure he's more experienced and maybe even at this point he's a better skater (though I'd argue not). They will be mismatched, and even if they wouldn't be, there are good things about having a partner your own age, who you are comfortable with, who you have been with for multiple years, and could skate with for many more years, especially when that partner is a good skater.
If the Chinese fed actually goes ahead and does this, I can only hope it will bite them so hard in the end.
I frankly at this point don't even think Peng is a worse partner than Zhang. Yeah, sure, she can't land a SBS jump to save her life, but at the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS he (the most experienced skater there!) watched her take a terrific fall on a throw, which I do believe was his fault because of how he threw her, and didn't even wait for her before going on to do a SBS jump on his own. He must have known that by jumping without her they'd get no credit for the jump. The only other possibility is that he literally has a mental defect of some kind. What was he trying to prove? 'Oh look at me federation, it's not me it's her?' Uh, no, in that situation it was him. ANY halfway competent partner would have waited for her, jumped late to at least get SOME credit for executing a jump, and then tried to figure out how to catch up the program.
As touched on above, I believe her falls on throws are almost always his fault and due to how he throws her. I also feel he doesn't seem to care about her safety. He may be or seem supportive at the end of programs when she screws up as someone else said, but that's really no excuse and unrelated to blatantly not giving a crap when your partner takes a terrible fall.
As for the rest- it's true as far as it goes that Yu would be a stronger partner for Zhang than Peng is. I really don't see how that matters. There is no godly way Zhang is going to compete beyond the 2018 Olympics... at the 2022 Olympics he would be 40 (or even assuming the Chinese fed did in fact lie about his age, he'd be 37). To take Yu from a very talented, competent, young partner with whom she has the potential to go to 3 Olympics and with whom she furthermore has the potential to medal at those Olympics if the Chinese federation would get their heads out of the sand is terrifically short-sighted. I also do not believe that Zhang would be a better partner for Yu than Jin is. Sure he's more experienced and maybe even at this point he's a better skater (though I'd argue not). They will be mismatched, and even if they wouldn't be, there are good things about having a partner your own age, who you are comfortable with, who you have been with for multiple years, and could skate with for many more years, especially when that partner is a good skater.
If the Chinese fed actually goes ahead and does this, I can only hope it will bite them so hard in the end.
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Yes they are all in Canada. Sui/ Han, Peng/Zhang, Yu/ Jin, W/W and two young pairs are all in Canada. The picture was taken when they arrived there last week...
The rumors came out like 1 or 2 days ago. Since then, They have been quiet on weibo or wechat
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I agree, that was an ugly look and he looked angry at her, too. His body language said he didn't care. Poor Peng. I felt so badly for her.
Poor Yu. I have seen comments on the Chinese sites that she is refusing to make the switch. I only hope that she stays firm and it doesn't damage her career long term. The federation has to see that they can't just play around with skaters careers like this!
The other twist is that if Peng/Jin are teamed up in a pair the spare move, I think they would be a much better match than Yu/Zhang & could have longer term potential.
The other twist is that if Peng/Jin are teamed up in a pair the spare move, I think they would be a much better match than Yu/Zhang & could have longer term potential.
Lmao, I was angry as hell about the fact that Y/J didn't get to go to Worlds for the second time in a row, and was gonna go mental if that happened again next year, but now I guess they will go... or at least one of them 
:hpull: :curse:
Seriously though, I knew that the Chinese fed was not going to be pleased about the case of instant karma they got at Worlds, but I thought that would make them seriously think about every team. If this is what they came up with in order to fix things (that don't even need fixing, just better decision making on their own part), well then... I can't wait to see just how this whole thing blows up in their faces.
If this does end up being true, the only people I'll really feel sorry for are the skaters. I cannot imagine being put through something like this, especially if that is very much not what you want
:hpull: :curse:Seriously though, I knew that the Chinese fed was not going to be pleased about the case of instant karma they got at Worlds, but I thought that would make them seriously think about every team. If this is what they came up with in order to fix things (that don't even need fixing, just better decision making on their own part), well then... I can't wait to see just how this whole thing blows up in their faces.
If this does end up being true, the only people I'll really feel sorry for are the skaters. I cannot imagine being put through something like this, especially if that is very much not what you want
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If this does end up being true, the only people I'll really feel sorry for are the skaters. I cannot imagine being put through something like this, especially if that is very much not what you want
Yes I can't imagine how the skaters must feel- so trapped and hopeless, probably, since in China the federation literally does control everything, often even whether you're allowed to retire. They literally could be forced to do this, without any option of saying no, even no I'd rather not skate any more, then.
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Their throw technique is a very Chinese technique, they try to throw huge. I don't personally know enough about the specifics but it doesn't seem to be more off than what we've seen in the past?
Well it's hard to say. But if their focus is on creating the very best Olympic team, then perhaps Sui/Han, Yu/Zhang, and Wang/Wang is their best bet. Then after the Olympics Yu/Jin can get back together, if Peng is still failing her jumps and not going anywhere with Jin.
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WAT.
Yu/Zhang is not a "best bet." Zhang is old and Yu/Jin have become a solid Chinese #2 according to the international judges. The best thing would be to continue to develop the two time JWC who have been together for so many years, send them to 2018 Olympics and groom them to be 2022 Olympic medalists in Beijing. Putting Yu with Zhang would be nothing but a waste. If they put Yu and Jin back together after the Olympics they will just have wasted three years of Yu and Jin's career -- two trying to make a new and unnecessary Chinese #2 and one on the same programs and not sending them to any of the competitions they earned berths to.
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If this is true than Xiaoyu is my new personal hero. It must take a lot of guts to refuse that order from the Chinese fed.
As if Pair teams wouldn't need time to get used to one another, learning the elements together and all that stuff. There is a pretty high chance by 2018 Yu/Zhang still wouldn't have had enough time to even really gel together - especially since their respective styles don't even look compatible - let alone working together so well they'd be better than the still young and improving Yu/Jin. IMO, if the fed would get their act together and stop basically sabotaging Yu/Jin they'd have a way better chance of being a top team by 2018 than Yu/Zhang (and btw, I'd say the same for Peng/Zhang).
Also, the Chinese fed has Sui/Han, they're the last federation (besides the Russian one) who needs to pull crap like that to have contenders for 2018. But then again, this is the federation that left Sui/Han at home on 2014 in favor of Peng/Zhang... you'd think they couldn't see potential when it knocks them over with a harvester.
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