Yu/Jin & Peng/Zhang switch partners

[Mathman]

He [Hongbo Zhao] can help but he isn't a real coach - he doesn't have the intuitive thought process.

This post wins the prize. What information could you possibly possess about Zhao's "intuitive thought processes"? I can't even analyze my own intuitive thought processes. :con3:

 

[gabriele]

For me, a better comparison would come from France. Like, how many skaters have there been in recent years that the FFSG refused to release?!

Tiffany Zahorski and Bruno Massot come immediately to mind as they are the most high profile. But I am nearly sure there were others.

Admittedly, Tiff and Bruno were eventually released, to huge publicity. But this was only because Didier Gailhaguet was now running for the ISU Presidency, and wanted to do something that would show him in a good light, and distract from his involvement in the 2002 scandal.

Sorry for being so cynical.

Anyway, although the FFSG does not have control over all aspects of their skaters lives like the CSA seems to, it is probably the best comparison for refusing to let their skaters take up opportunities of representing other countries.

CaroLiza_fan

Yes, with the French it's about wanting to keep the talent. Lubov (2009 junior world champ.) is perhaps more about wasting the talent of a skater who has fallen out of favour. I doubt CSA would do better over a refusal of Yu, as has been said by others.

To be honest, CaroLiza_fan, it is so bizarre, that I'm refusing to believe it until I see pictures of the 'new' pairs together. :disapp:

 

[Violet Bliss]

This post wins the prize. What information could you possibly possess about Zhao's "intuitive thought processes"? I can't even analyze my own intuitive thought processes. :con3:

Intuitive thought process can't be analyzed. Wait, it's intuition itself that can't and shouldn't be analzsed. Intuitive thought process? :think: Ah, it must be something only Skate Boy can intuit into.

 

[Skater Boy]

Thanks. Waiting for my prize.

 

[Skater Boy]

Intuitive thought process can't be analyzed. Wait, it's intuition itself that can't and shouldn't be analzsed. Intuitive thought process? :think: Ah, it must be something only Skate Boy can intuit into.

All joking aside. i am trying to communicate the best what I heard, seen and deduced. You know so many posters make interpretations or speculation but I will stick with the topic - can anyone confirm if there is really a split??? If there is a split I hope it is not done by the Federation but by the skaters.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

Yes, with the French it's about wanting to keep the talent. Lubov (2009 junior world champ.) is perhaps more about wasting the talent of a skater who has fallen out of favour. I doubt CSA would do better over a refusal of Yu, as has been said by others.

Mmmm. Not too sure about that with regards Lubov. I don't think the Russian Federation were trying to keep her out of action. She is too good for that. I just don't think there was anybody suitable that was available at the time. All the good male Pairs skaters were already tied up in partnerships.

With the French Federation, I don't actually think their stance was about keeping the talent. Because, let's face it, the skaters involved had already moved on. It seemed more like they were taking the attitude "well, if we can't have them, nobody can!"

Kinda like the Chinese.

To be honest, CaroLiza_fan, it is so bizarre, that I'm refusing to believe it until I see pictures of the 'new' pairs together. :disapp:

That is probably the best idea.

And I will continue to hope that it will not happen until I see pictures that say otherwise.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[solani]

Mmmm. Not too sure about that with regards Lubov. I don't think the Russian Federation were trying to keep her out of action. She is too good for that. I just don't think there was anybody suitable that was available at the time. All the good male Pairs skaters were already tied up in partnerships.

Yes and there were rumours that she was ill at the time of the split. Maybe the Russian Fed regretted that they didn't provide her with a suitable partner / or helped her finding a better working environment with Maisuradze?

 

[mezon]

Remember: the Chinese Fed chose to go to Worlds without them. So they obviously think that they can do without them.

And now they have two quotas without them.

 

[4everchan]

lol nice comeback :dance:

Thanks. Waiting for my prize.

 

[4everchan]

which is fine since they might not need 3 spots anymore

And now they have two quotas without them.

 

[ff227wind]

Hoping to see YJ again nest seasons.

 

[tinlizzie]

OMG the thread title has changed - it is most likely true now:sad4:

 

[andromache]

I feel bad for Yu. It'll be interesting to see how she works with Zhang in comparison to Peng, and to see how Peng works with Jin. While I 100% disagree with this switch, I dislike the assumptions that Zhang is a bad or abusive partner. While we think we might have insights about partnerships based on how skaters act toward one another during competitions, it's a pretty far leap to assume that Zhang is a bad partner or a bad person.

Because talk has turned to the coaching situation, I'm curious as to if/how much Yao Bin is still involved. He was a genius, and of course it's difficult for Hongbo to follow in his footsteps. Yao Bin built Chinese pairs up from literally nothing, because he was actually brilliant. I hope Yao Bin is still involved at home, even if he obviously doesn't travel or sit in the K&C anymore.

 

[Violet Bliss]

OMG the thread title has changed - it is most likely true now:sad4:

I think it's to equalize its status to the other rumour thread.

 

[MaxSwagg]

The Yu/Zhang pair will be a disaster just like Peng/Zhang pair was. Chinese Fed really blew this one...

 

[yqs100]

Additionally, a lot of the money the Chinese skaters earn goes directly back to the fed. I don't know enough to say definitively how much of it, but I'd be comfortable venturing to say that it's the vast majority.

the fed pays everything. Training/ costume/ food and even pay salary. That's quite fair.

When you get something, u have to lose something.. For other countries skaters, they can choose how they train and who they train with because they have to fund by themselves,,it's call "freedom". However, think about Patrick Chan's case, he had to raise the money through the Canadian Chinese community.

So we can't say which system is better. They are just different

 

[4everchan]

actually, Patrick at one point was referring how hard it is in Canada financially compared to china... (and of course, then a bunch of people transformed his words saying he was going to skate for china)...


however, we have to think about Li Na.... who got fed up with the federation taking her prize money.... it's not the same in figure skating as winning a competition doesn't make you a millionaire.... but yeah... there are issues in both systems

the fed pays everything. Training/ costume/ food and even pay salary. That's quite fair.

When you get something, u have to lose something.. For other countries skaters, they can choose how they train and who they train with because they have to fund by themselves,,it's call "freedom". However, think about Patrick Chan's case, he had to raise the money through the Canadian Chinese community.

So we can't say which system is better. They are just different

 

[sylvie]

If any of you have a Weibo account and would like to show some support for Yu/Jin please feel free to vote in this poll created by the Chinese skating fans:

http://vote.weibo.com/poll/137195459

At this time more than 800 people have voted, the vast majority are obviously against the split.

 

[tulosai]

the fed pays everything. Training/ costume/ food and even pay salary. That's quite fair.

When you get something, u have to lose something.. For other countries skaters, they can choose how they train and who they train with because they have to fund by themselves,,it's call "freedom". However, think about Patrick Chan's case, he had to raise the money through the Canadian Chinese community.

So we can't say which system is better. They are just different

I never said anything was or wasn't fair, and I have actually comprehensively said exactly what you do regarding the different systems and how the Chinese system works in other posts on this thread. My aim is only to provide information and clarification about the system and the real lives of the skaters. The implication that they are rolling in the money because all athletes in China are rich simply are not true, because as I say the money they earn almost all goes back to the fed. While the skaters basic needs are indeed taken care of comprehensively by the fed, it's madness to say they are all super rich as was being implied. They are not.

 

[MaxSwagg]

It's not like the Chinese skaters are Guo Jingjing. Now she's rich.