Yu/Jin & Peng/Zhang switch partners

[SarahSynchro]

Oh my lord, I get home from from a ten day carribbean vacation and the amount of figure skating drama I've missed is HUGE! Argh, my head is exploding.

 

[Giselle]

i don't know if yu does 3s but her 3t is pretty strong and consistent, even this season when she was struggling with her sbs jumps a bit more than usual she'd usually land the 3t even if she had to put her hand down, which is better than pemg or wang who seem to always double or fall on sbs jumps. I don't think doing 2a-2a sequence hurts you that much point wise if you can consistently land both sbs jumping passes, which yu usually can and peng cannot, so, overall i would still say yu is a better jumper than peng.

I agree that Yu is a better jumper than Peng. I was wondering about the 3S since most top teams have 2 different triple jumps and Peng/Zhang started doing the SBS 3S this year instead of 2A (even if I recall Peng did 2S most of the time).

For info, here are the Base Value of some of the Jump Combinations and Sequences we saw this year:

3T3T2T --> 9.90
3S2T2T 7.00
3T2T2T --> 6.90
3T+3T+seq --> 6.88
3S2T --> 5.70
3T2T --> 5.60
2A+2A seq --> 5.28

 

[lyndichee]

Since the Chinese Fed says pairing up Yu and Zhang is for next year's Worlds (top 6, kidding me?) and we all know China only has two spots, do you see what they mean (let's assume Sui/Han make a timely recovery)? Peng and Jin, Wang and Wang are not going to Worlds next year and it's so decided BEFORE THE NEXT SEASON EVEN STARTS.

I wish I could give you 2 thumbs up.

I think regardless of Sui making a timely recovery from surgery they will get the spot due to their previous record. They gave it to Peng/Zhang even though they only had 3 weeks to train before worlds. Chinese Fed is always playing favourites.

From what I remember from the Volosozhar/Trankov timeline and according to this article:

Volosozhar/Morozov finished a surprise 4th at 2007 Worlds, then dropped to 9th at 2008 Worlds and 6th at 2009 Worlds (and 4th at Europeans 2 times in a row). Stanislav Morozov then realized that 4th at Worlds was probably going to be the best result they'll get and Tatiana is way younger than him and could go another quad. He kept skating until the 2010 Olympics and Volosozhar/Morozov skipped the 2010 Worlds so Tatiana could skate with her new partner for another country at 2011 Worlds.

Max was done with the Mukhortova/Vasiliev situation and thought that a couple of 4th and 5th at big competitions wasn't worth it. Volosozhar/Morozov approached him as a potential partner for Tatiana and he agreed. He went to 2010 Worlds and had a couple of shows commitments with Maria Mukhortova then he went on to skate with Tatiana.

Let's also remember that 2011 Worlds was postponed from the end of March to the end of April because of the Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami and instead of Japan, it took place in Russia. That extra month could've been key for a new team such as Volosozhar/Trankov (plus home ice adantage).

Great points. Also Max was interested in skating with Tat since 2006. Overall, these are very unique circumstances that do not apply to the Chinese pairs. It isn't some formula they should be forcing on their "team members".

 

[s_parks]

It was Zhao's idea?? Really disappointed if it's true, I thought he knew much better. ***

 

[bwayrose7]

This is so disappointing. I don't follow pairs as closely as the other disciplines, but I certainly know now who not to support. I feel so bad for Yu, Jin, and Peng: one taken against her will and essentially "given" to a partner whose behavior can be described kindly as selfish; one loses his partnership and is basically tossed aside as collateral damage; one blamed for things that aren't her fault and sent off to obscurity. And the fed doesn't even try to be diplomatic about it but all but admits it's supporting Zhang at the expense of all others?

 

[ahkeekee]

Wish Yu/Jin could skate for Japan

I was thinking of the same thing, if the chinese federation is so so so into splitting them, I'd leave chinese federation and go for japanese federation or anywhere else instead, the chinese fed isn't thinking with their brains!! their most foolish decision that will destroy the career of both jin yang and yu xiaoyu.... poor them

 

[Layback11]

*Plots to fictionally eliminate someone so Yu/Jin can skate together again*

Methinks I shall retire someone and have two additional someones skate for Turkmenistan.

 

[Sweet Dream]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

F... YOU CHINESE FED.

Sorry for my overemotional reaction, but I'm so done.

Just calm down a bit. I am so afraid to see a word starting with the letter "F" here.

 

[bsfan]

Every athlete is obliged to follow the Fed decision because they are all sponsored by government from the very beginning. They own everything to the country. They are supposed to bring honor to their country. Even under this unfairness, if Yu/Jin change country, esp. to Japan that killed so many chinese, I bet if there is any support to them at all from chinese fan.

 

[annesigin]

Every athlete is obliged to follow the Fed decision because they are all sponsored by government from the very beginning. They own everything to the country. They are supposed to bring honor to their country. Even under this unfairness, if Yu/Jin change country, esp. to Japan that killed so many chinese, I bet if there is any support to them at all from chinese fan.

Many fans in China supposed that Yu/Jin could represent for other country and they would still support them. But the 'other cointries' do not include Japan (and maybe Korea) in their mind of course. It is hard to imagine how unfriendly Chinese people would treat them if they represent for Japan. Horrible.

 

[Alchamei]

Just calm down a bit. I am so afraid to see a word starting with the letter "F" here.

The word is not even written entirely...

 

[LRK]

Many fans in China supposed that Yu/Jin could represent for other country and they would still support them. But the 'other cointries' do not include Japan (and maybe Korea) in their mind of course. It is hard to imagine how unfriendly Chinese people would treat them if they represent for Japan. Horrible.

Well, since it is never going to happen, the question is moot.

 

[4everchan]

I am sure France would take them ....

 

[yyyskate]

Many fans in China supposed that Yu/Jin could represent for other country and they would still support them. But the 'other cointries' do not include Japan (and maybe Korea) in their mind of course. It is hard to imagine how unfriendly Chinese people would treat them if they represent for Japan. Horrible.

Actually, this is not true, Japanese skaters are very popular in China and were treated equally as any other skaters from foreign countries. Chinese fans have expressed the sentiment that even if Y/J skated for other countries including Japan as long as they are together, they will continue to support and love them.
The focus here is just Y/J stay together, please do not use Japan/China relation etc. to distract!

 

[annesigin]

Actually, this is not true, Japanese skaters are very popular in China and were treated equally as any other skaters from foreign countries. Chinese fans have expressed the sentiment that even if Y/J skated for other countries including Japan as long as they are together, they will continue to support and love them.
The focus here is just Y/J stay together, please do not use Japan/China relation etc. to distract!

Sorry, I do not want to continue to talk about so controversial questions and we should move to other topics. But I still need to explain that I am honest.
As you said, Chinese FANS treat Japanese atheletes equally. I know it is true. But it is different to treat a Japanese athlete and to treat a Chinese athlete representing for Japan. Either it is different for the FANS and normal AUDIENCE. Don't you see the terrible comments on former Chinese atheletes representing for Japan? Look at this, http://wap.kdnet.net/?boardid=1&id=6725716&t=topic-show
this, http://m.tiexue.net/touch/thread_4225739_1.html
I chose randomly on the first page of the search engine. Are the comments under the news or on the forum calm, polite and milt? Don't these comments insult atheletes?

For me myself, I DON'T CARE WHICH COUNTRY YU/JIN REPRESENT FOR ANY MORE and I will always love them two guys. But I cannot guarantee other people around me will be the same. That is why I want to protect Yu/Jin from any potential haters. It is not me to use Chinese/Japan relation to do something, but only to tell the truth.

I believe we both do not want to hurt Yu/Jin so we can stop talking about representing for Japan any more since it will never happen.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

I am sure France would take them ....

Never mind France, I want to claim them for Ireland! :agree:

And the great thing is that nobody would be missing out on a slot if they arrived, as Ireland currently only has singles skaters.

I know I'm being facetious, but there is a serious point. There are plenty of countries who are not represented in Pairs that would jump at the chance to have a couple half as talented as Yu and Jin. Yet the Chinese are splitting them up for a reason that defies logic.

I just don't know!

CaroLiza_fan

 

[Violet Bliss]

I believe both yyyskate and annesigin are correct in that Japanese skating stars are very popular among Chinese fans, yet Y/J skating for Japan may be politically unpopular.

However, there is hardly any possibility of Yu and Jin skating together for another country. Further talk of them doing so may, however, lead to belief that they intend or wish to do so. Let's not complicate their lives further with another rumour.

 

[icedinn]

Such upsetting news. I liked p/z but yu and jin were one of my favorite pairs. Maybe when Hao retires, yu and jin will compete together again.

 

[daylily]

This is a lengthy article about all the ice and snow sports, with assessment by Ren Hongguo, who is in charge of Winter Sports in China, in an interview. The regrouping of the Pairs is a very small part of the whole article.

Ren did not indicate who made the decision except to mention the need to adjust the program and the split and switch. We assume reluctant "team members" refer to the Pairs skaters themselves, but it could include the coaches. It seems to me a governance by decree from the top bureaucrats with little consideration and inputs from the "team members". Ren expressed his wish regardless of the team members' resistance.

The Chinese word 队员, which is translated as "team members" here, actually means "team players," i.e. athletes on the team. So it definitely does not include coaches. Also since Chinese is a relatively loose language, 队员 here may mean "some team players" (i.e. not necessarily all athletes involved).

 

[annesigin]

Such upsetting news. I liked p/z but yu and jin were one of my favorite pairs. Maybe when Hao retires, yu and jin will compete together again.

Zhang Hao said he would not give up skating until 2022 Beijing Olympics. I wonder if I should adore his spirits or hope him to leave spot for young talented skaters.