Yulia Lipnitskaya

[Alba]

I agree with bellflower. :thumbsup:

 

[peg]

Voronov has said that he's been working with psychologist, SO THEY use this tool in their team but he's a grown up man and Yulia is only 16 years old girl it might be tricky at this time of her career. ON one hand it may work but on the other it may worsen things. I have a great believe in Eteri I'm sure if they stay together they'll find the solution at the end.

The fact that she is only a teenager as opposed to a grown man is all the more reason to get her some help and emotional support. I really don't understand how you think it would make things worse.

 

[sjid]

I'm far from being a professional, but I think that the sooner one starts getting ready psychologically, the better. Teens go through so much emotions in that phase of life and some of them need outside help to sort their feelings, and I'm talking about typical teenagers. The pressure Yulia feels to perform well is huge, and I fear how the fact that she hasn't had a clean LP so far in the season triggers fear every time she sees herself skating to it.

Back in the soccer world cup, after Germany won and the thing with Brazil happened cry numerous articles came up showing how psychologically prepared the German team was, as well as the feelings of the best athletes backstage (Messi, i.e, throws up because of his nerves). The German team was taught how to perform under pressure, and this goes beyond the "must score". If you watched the games I'm sure you noticed they were booed by Brazilian fans. Well, they were ready for it too.

In my humble opinion every elite athlete should be able to have someone professional to talk to. They may not need one all the time, but it must be reassuring to know that any time they need, there will be someone to hear and give advice.

I don't think you should be humble about that opinion.
Adolescence is the minefield from child to adult. The body changes, separation from parents, awakening of passion and desire, it is the Time of Not Knowing. The only comparable adjustment is to death. Remember their struggle in Moscow when she was young, when no one knew of their difficult situation. Them against the world on a pair of flimsy skates that kept falling apart. Imagine how much a kind uncle who is always there would have meant, then and now. These kids are the best our race can produce, isn't it ironic that we fall short in respecting who they are.

 

[Meoima]

Q: Any thoughts on the Russian Nationals?

A: There are 15 people struggling to get into top 6 on the Nationals. I think we need to expand it. I'm optimistic.

Thank you so much for your translation.
As long as Yulia stays optimistic, I am glad. She can make it.

 

[Sandpiper]

Thank you for the translation, geiger. Very interesting to hear about her drawings and her stories.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Q: Want to finish school early, so that it does not interfere with your favorite sport.

A: To rest from it. You see, we are now renovating in the apartment, and we live very far away from the rink. Have to leave very early and to return late at night. I spend all the day at the rink. Thank God that I have a room allocated for me there. There at least I can rest, to get some sleep. But once we are done with the renovation, I'll get up a little later and it will be easier.

This is possible to be understood a few ways I believe. To me it seems that she isn't looking to rest or take break from the sport but to be done with school so that she can skate and then go home and physically rest. I think what I take from it is she actually wants to plan her life around being able to skate to her fullest potential and that will require her to be able to go home and hit the reset button. Draw penguin cartoons and things of that nature. I'm not sure how people took it or if I'm reading it right but especially as you travel on into her answer, we begin to see the chaos/stress that she spoke of in CoC and we see it is largely the way her days are planned and the chaotic events like sleeping at the rink No wonder she wanted to include thoughts of vacation into her SP this year. This way even when she is skating she has created a few moments of peace and a break from the chaos of her days and she found a way to sneak it into her daily ritual. Maybe that is part of the reason for so much success with it.

 

[Yamita]

Voronov has said that he's been working with psychologist, SO THEY use this tool in their team but he's a grown up man and Yulia is only 16 years old girl it might be tricky at this time of her career. ON one hand it may work but on the other it may worsen things. I have a great believe in Eteri I'm sure if they stay together they'll find the solution at the end.

I think waterskiiiepic was trying to say that he has a great believe in Eteri following some of our fellow posters expressed doubts in Eteri. So seeing a psychologist might not be necessary.

The fact that she is only a teenager as opposed to a grown man is all the more reason to get her some help and emotional support. I really don't understand how you think it would make things worse.

It would be good if Yulia goes to see a psychologist. But I think it is her and her team's decision.

By the way, I have seen evidence of Yulia's recovery. she just posted this quote on her VK page:

Падение — не провал. Провал в желании остаться жить там, где упал.
© Шри Чинмой

 

[geiger]

I think waterskiiiepic was trying to say that he has a great believe in Eteri following some of our fellow posters expressed doubts in Eteri. So seeing a psychologist might not be necessary.



It would be good if Yulia goes to see a psychologist. But I think it is her and her team's decision.

By the way, I have seen evidence of Yulia's recovery. she just posted this quote on her VK page:

Падение — не провал. Провал в желании остаться жить там, где упал.
© Шри Чинмой

Love this. "A fall is not a failure. A failure is willing to stay where you fell". This is just one of the reasons we love her.

 

[Yamita]

Yes.:agree:

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Падение — не провал. Провал в желании остаться жить там, где упал.

Love that quote!

https://pp.vk.me/c540105/v540105919/25263/imLIFa3Nh2s.jpg

 

[Alba]

I think waterskiiiepic was trying to say that he has a great believe in Eteri following some of our fellow posters expressed doubts in Eteri. So seeing a psychologist might not be necessary.

It's not about having doubts in Eteri as a coach, but she is not a psychologist.
She has other skaters who are going to be soon elite skaters in seniors. So she can't handle everything. She is a young coach herself, and she's not a superhuman either.
Yagudin had complete faith in Tarasova, and we all know her and she had years of experience with Olypic and World champions, yet he needed a psychologist.
It doesn't make you weaker, on the contrary.

Love this. "A fall is not a failure. A failure is willing to stay where you fell". This is just one of the reasons we love her.

Actually I have no idea what that means? Help!


By the way, there is a short interview with Eteri. I can't understand anything with google translation. Can you please help, when you have time? Thank you so much.
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20141214/794832618.html

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Alba..it means falling isn't the end of the world at all. But allowing that fall to keep you down or define you would be (the end of the world)


It's a clever way of saying ..never give up.

She is letting us know she is a fighter.

 

[Alba]

Alba..it means falling isn't the end of the world at all. But allowing that fall to keep you down would be (the end of the world)


It's a clever way of saying ..never give up.

She is letting us know she is a fighter.

Oh god, you are so right. Thanks Sam.
It's not difficult, it's clear. I'm reading like an idiot. :hopelessness:

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Oh god, you are so right. Thanks Sam.
It's not difficult, it's clear. I'm becoming and idiot. :hopelessness:

You're no idiot. I alone have learned very much from you. I can barely grasp one language myself and am always amazed with my international friends and their ability to communicate so well.

 

[grantrf98]

Love this. "A fall is not a failure. A failure is willing to stay where you fell". This is just one of the reasons we love her.

This quote reminds me of a quote from Cicero: "Dum spiro, spero." While I breath, I hope...

 

[peg]

It would be good if Yulia goes to see a psychologist. But I think it is her and her team's decision.

I never said it wasn't their decision. I was merely disputing waterskiiepic's assertion that it could worsen things because she's not an adult.

 

[Alba]

You're no idiot. I alone have learned very much from you. I can barely grasp one language myself and am always amazed with my international friends and their ability to communicate so well.

Thanks.

No I meant that I didn't read properly. We usually say rincitrullita but I can't find it in english.

I'm a lover of Churchill, therefore some of his quotes came to my mind, speaking of failure.

I like this one very much because it is very difficult to do.
"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm."

And this one is good also:
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."

 

[waterskiiiepic123]

I think waterskiiiepic was trying to say that he has a great believe in Eteri following some of our fellow posters expressed doubts in Eteri. So seeing a psychologist might not be necessary.



It would be good if Yulia goes to see a psychologist. But I think it is her and her team's decision.

By the way, I have seen evidence of Yulia's recovery. she just posted this quote on her VK page:

Падение — не провал. Провал в желании остаться жить там, где упал.
© Шри Чинмой

You're right that's what I meant but also it's dangerous to work with psychologist at such age. I used to be an athlet and I know what happened to some of mine friends, some of them benefited from such treatment the others just got more messed up. Tennis player Sabatini was also used by her psychologist. Hiring a psychologist might work for some athletes but it's not a solution to every problem. So please, have more believe in Eteri and Yulia.

 

[Alba]

Thanks to quiqie on FSU, he did the translation of Eteri's interview on my request.

Eteri Tutberidze: "As a coach, I feel a little disappointed with the result, because at practices Yulia had shown that she is the strongest technically. She has no problem adding triple toeloop to any other jump. And she does very high quality jumps. I checked the protocols, her jumps, step sequence, spins are with positive GOE. It wasn't her best skating, but the elements she did, the judges estimate very high."
Now she has to want to skate this free program well. Yulia is a little bit stuck on not skating this program well — as a matter of fact, today she purposefully left out some jumps. She only went for the jumps she decided to go for."

When asked how the plan to solve the issue with the program, Tutberidze said she would "make a completely new one. But these are just my thoughts. I asked Yulia if she would like to say goodbye to Julietta. She said we are not going to change anything and will do everything as it is."
I have no regrets about screwing into this season. Otherwise we would have missed it altogether. Now that the certain part of the season is over, Yulia has qualified for the Grand Prix Final. She skated a very good short program in Barcelona, and she could have got even higher score if not for the Level 1 spin and other details. She has shown that not only she got the 3Lz-3T combination back, but she does it better than ever. So we are going to continue to work."

Good, very good. Come on little Tiger.

 

[sjid]

I think waterskiiiepic was trying to say that he has a great believe in Eteri following some of our fellow posters expressed doubts in Eteri. So seeing a psychologist might not be necessary.



It would be good if Yulia goes to see a psychologist. But I think it is her and her team's decision.

By the way, I have seen evidence of Yulia's recovery. she just posted this quote on her VK page:

Падение — не провал. Провал в желании остаться жить там, где упал.
© Шри Чинмой

Yamita, I presume you are referring to me as the poster who expressed doubts about Eteri. This is a pertinent part my post about Eteri, see post #3529 for the entirety:

I can't imagine a more devoted and caring coach. Eteri is essential. Here is the excerpt where Yulia talks about lack of attention. The problem sounds systemic, allocating rink and gym space, nothing personal. She's not a tutor. I think Yulia wants more of Eteri, that's understandable. Doesn't every normal kid want the adult for herself? Eteri may not know what to do no matter how much she wants to correct the present mess, needs more time and understanding. I wouldn't want to be in Eteri's shoes. This is getting too deep for an ordinary person. They really need to listen to Yulia and stop messing with her mind.

I wrote this two days ago. Eteri is the coach for Yulia.

Success in remaining competitions will not address Yulia's complexity. There is a tendency here to equate winning with happiness. That is true for most fans who buy tickets and watch, but it is more complicated for the athletes themselves. Remember that Yulia said she and her coaches talked about the problems that Olympic athletes face (not a quote, but this is the gist of what she said). That was after the Olympic disappointment. Clearly she recognizes and wants to understand the issues she faces.