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Yulia Lipnitskaya

Manitou said:
I don't know what's odd about this question to make it being cut. A normal question. For example, many of the best Serbian tennis players in their childhoods trained inside an empty swimming pool. And they have no problem talking about it now...
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I think skating on a thin pond is far more dangerous than playing tennis in an empty swimming pool. The Serbian story is cute.

Skating on thin pond ice is risky and dangerous. It makes the parental authority figures in her life look negligent to let her do something that could kill her. Kids can die playing on thin ice. It should not be glorified.

Granted I would not be surprised Russia's idea of "thin" ice is not what most people think of as thin pond ice. Pond skating is fine, thin ice pond skating is not.
 
Roman09 said:
Are you joke? Ekaterinburg is a millionaire city, there are many ice palaces in it, why Yulia must to a pond, plus wich has "thin ice", i.e. with the risk for her life?
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I don't know. For a person who lives in Ekaterinburg it might be a strange question to ask, but for someone who is ignorant about that particular city and heard rumors, it is absolutely legit to ask that question to clear the rumors.
If I heard rumors about Yulia training on a pond and I had a chance to ask her, I would ask. She is the best person to clear such rumors.
I have no knowledge about Ekaterinburg at all, but as a child I actually did skate on a pond. There is nothing wrong with skating on a pond.
I don't see anything offensive in that question. It is written: if you don't know something and want to know then ask.

I am not defending that guy, I am sure he asked many wrong questions, but this particular one is fine with me. Just bad example of a wrong question.
 
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StitchMonkey said:
I think skating on a thin pond is far more dangerous than playing tennis in an empty swimming pool. The Serbian story is cute.

Skating on thin pond ice is risky and dangerous. It makes the parental authority figures in her life look negligent to let her do something that could kill her. Kids can die playing on thin ice. It should not be glorified.

Granted I would not be surprised Russia's idea of "thin" ice is not what most people think of as thin pond ice. Pond skating is fine, thin ice pond skating is not.
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Kids were skating on ponds for hundreds of years. Everywhere in the world. Even I did.
 
I don't understand one thing though. So the parts that they did not want to publish, therefore he chose not to publish the article at all, now he's been publishing on FB? How does this work? :confused:
 
Alba said:
I don't understand one thing though. So the parts that they did not want to publish, therefore he chose not to publish the article at all, now he's been publishing on FB? How does this work? :confused:
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It must be a Russian thing. I worked once with one Russian and he told me: do not try to understand Russians if you are not a Russian :)
 
Alba said:
I don't understand one thing though. So the parts that they did not want to publish, therefore he chose not to publish the article at all, now he's been publishing on FB? How does this work? :confused:
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No, just one of his editors wrote it in facebook but then removed. Anyway, her answer to this question is unknown to us
 
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Alba said:
Nevertheless, he should know better and not discuss like this in public. Yulia has fans from all around the world, and we don't know russian. Google translation makes things even worse, and these things go viral in a second.
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This is the core issue. It was insensitive, they removed it quickly. Our information came after it was removed. This underscores how difficult it will be to adequately protect her.
 
Manitou said:
I don't know. For a person who lives in Ekaterinburg it might be a strange question to ask, but for someone who is ignorant about that particular city and heard rumors, it is absolutely legit to ask that question to clear the rumors.
If I heard rumors about Yulia training on a pond and I had a chance to ask her, I would ask. She is the best person to clear such rumors.
I have no knowledge about Ekaterinburg at all, but as a child I actually did skate on a pond. There is nothing wrong with skating on a pond.
I don't see anything offensive in that question. It is written: if you don't know something and want to know then ask.

I am not defending that guy, I am sure he asked many wrong questions, but this particular one is fine with me. Just bad example of a wrong question.
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You don't have to guess. This is from wikipedia:

Early career[edit]
Lipnitskaya began training at age four after her mother convinced the experienced skating coach Elena Levkovets to accept her as a student.[15] She skated in Yekaterinburg until 2009 when she and her mother began to discuss her future, concluding that they should either relocate for the purposes of her skating career or leave the sport.[16] They moved to Moscow where Lipnitskaya joined Eteri Tutberidze's group in March 2009.[15][16]

There are videos on youtube showing the facility.
 
sjid said:
You don't have to guess. This is from wikipedia:

Early career[edit]
Lipnitskaya began training at age four after her mother convinced the experienced skating coach Elena Levkovets to accept her as a student.[15] She skated in Yekaterinburg until 2009 when she and her mother began to discuss her future, concluding that they should either relocate for the purposes of her skating career or leave the sport.[16] They moved to Moscow where Lipnitskaya joined Eteri Tutberidze's group in March 2009.[15][16]

There are videos on youtube showing the facility.
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I don't want to continue this argument, but this quote is not any proof of skating or not skating on a pond.
 
Manitou said:
Kids were skating on ponds for hundreds of years. Everywhere in the world. Even I did.
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And they have been dying for hundreds of years everywhere in the world when the ice is too thin. I did not say pond skating is an issue. I said thin ice pond skating is an issue. Geez I even made a joke about Russian thin ice! Maybe some areas are different but I live in an area known for unpredictable weather. Maybe some areas ponds freeze and say frozen for the season, but where I am, well, ponds don't really stay frozen for the winter. So you never really can rely on the ice being thick and safe as it melts and refreezes so much. Seeing snow and 70 degree weather (20+c) in one week is normal here. So maybe my idea of pond skating is off, to me it is something that happens occupationally when the conditions line up, and not even every winter.

There is a difference between skating on ice that is still water in the center of the pond, and ice that clearly is litter with crap that has fallen on it or been thrown on it and not broken it.

I would take "thin" in this context to either mean it is dangerous, or the person asking is putting in the word thin to try to needlessly draw up controversy. If the person asking is clearly trying to do so in an out of context manner, then I don't really blame them for not wanting to answer. Not all pond skating is dangerous, not all ice is thin. You don't need to call the ice thin, unless it is thin and thus dangerous. I took thin ice in this context to mean the ice is indeed thin. Maybe a better translation would be bad ice. Or maybe he was just looking to stir stuff up and i feel for it.

I could be wrong but I would also think that the thinness needed for it to be safe to skate, and thickness needed to jump would be a bit different.
 
Manitou said:
I don't want to continue this argument, but this quote is not any proof of skating or not skating on a pond.
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Please read the quoted question carefully. It didn't ask if she skated on a pond, it asked if she trained on a pond. The wikipedia excerpt describes her training only, so it does answer the question about training on a pond. Such information is readily available, no argument required. Here is a now-famous video of the rink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNmtV1wjYCs
 
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sjid said:
thanks, witcher, that's the upper-body movement I requested.
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Yep, you can definitely see the resemblance to Julia's hand movement there. I don't know about the smile and waving to judges though... :think:
 
irrelevant said:
Pages from the PROСПОРТ magazine surfaced, do we have a friendly local Russian here who could translate these?
http://imagr.eu/up/54d15fc7d2e40
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Sorry, I'm too lazy to translate the whole thing, someone else will surely do it. But basically the article first describes how Yulya acted during the shoot and then it talks about her current season. It's a little bit more negative than you would expect, but it ends up saying that hopefully everything will work out fine. Also, Yulya still hates the press (she didn't shake hands with anybody and didn't even say hello). Eteri and Daniela were there as well and it seems like they were all getting along. Daniela was letting Yulya decide everything. Also, it says at a certain point in the season Eteri told Yulya she didn't have to skate if she didn't want to anymore, that she can quit if that's what she wants, and Yulya declined saying she wants to keep competing after all.
 
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