Yulia Lipnitskaya

[Sam-Skwantch]

She looks all serious in practice today!!

https://pp.vk.me/c624126/v624126727/110b3/PydXczwGwCo.jpg

 

[Fayruza]

Today's practice
https://pp.vk.me/c540105/v540105815/310b1/7LXn1FR2n-k.jpg

 

[Isabel_O'Reilly]

Sam, Didn't you point to a weakness or concern about the SAL about 6 weeks ago? Can we judge much about improvement from a single execution (as at TEB or a fall in practice)? Are the two problem jumps related in terms of their execution (I mean physical movement)? Isabel, do you have some insight on this?

Yes, the salchow and the flip are the most identical of all the take-offs. I'll elaborate later as soon as I have time.

 

[Isabel_O'Reilly]

Sam, Didn't you point to a weakness or concern about the SAL about 6 weeks ago? Can we judge much about improvement from a single execution (as at TEB or a fall in practice)? Are the two problem jumps related in terms of their execution (I mean physical movement)? Isabel, do you have some insight on this?

When it comes to landing jumps if you're consistent with all the time it doesn't really matter if you fall on it in practice because you know you'll land it when you need to. For me I always found it easier to land the next one after I fell on it the first time. If you do it perfectly it's hard to keep the focus where it needs to be to do it perfectly again, but if I fall on a double salchow, for example, I pay more attention to every aspect of setting up the jump and I can land the next one.

I'm a reverse jumper so bear with me while I try to keep the feet straight. When I go take off for a double salchow I do a right outside three turn and the jump comes up off a right backward inside edge, to take off for a double flip I do that same three turn and the only difference is that instead off bringing the left foot through and around to vault off the right foot my left toe pick goes into the ice. For Yulia she would do a left outside three turn and her right foot needs to come though and for the flip a left outside three turn and the right toe pick goes into the ice. For both the flip and salchow the take-off edge is a left backward inside edge.

For all the other jumps the take-offs are vastly different, Axel is off a forward outside edge, obviously, the toe-loop takes off a backward outside edge, well the loop is a litte bit similar in that is takes off that same backward outside edge as the toe loop but the mechanics are too different to compare unlike with the flip and salchow, and the lutz is off a backward out side edge but you need to rotate opposite from the way the momentum of the toe pick would normally carry you.

I don't think Yulia really has any problems with toe jumps though, its just the adjustment to the boots that's tripping her up. In the last two full seasons Yulia generally only had trouble with her edge jumps, salchow and loop.

 

[MalAssada]

I'm looking forward to it All the similarity I see is the 3-turn/mohawk, but I find it difficult to believe an elite skater has problems with what google says is one of the first turns learned :scratch:

EDIT: Answered already!

 

[Alba]

Are the two problem jumps related in terms of their execution (I mean physical movement)?

You mean the Flip and the Salchow? They both takes off from a back inside edge and lands on the back outside edge of the opposite foot, but the preparation and technique of the two jumps are different. I don't know what might be her problem though.
Last season she didn't have problems with the flip, if I'm not mistaken?

Salchow (edge jump): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_KZeYwD2dU
Flip (toe jump): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zb8C7lnYVk

 

[sjid]

Today's practice
https://pp.vk.me/c540105/v540105815/310b1/7LXn1FR2n-k.jpg

Thanks Fayruza. Typical Yulia, fantastic expressive shape. For a completely different level of appreciation, her programs should be presented as an exhibition of sequential photos of about 5 per second. She is incredible, so fast and extensive that we miss much of her movement when watching.

 

[sjid]

When it comes to landing jumps if you're consistent with all the time it doesn't really matter if you fall on it in practice because you know you'll land it when you need to. For me I always found it easier to land the next one after I fell on it the first time. If you do it perfectly it's hard to keep the focus where it needs to be to do it perfectly again, but if I fall on a double salchow, for example, I pay more attention to every aspect of setting up the jump and I can land the next one.

I'm a reverse jumper so bear with me while I try to keep the feet straight. When I go take off for a double salchow I do a right outside three turn and the jump comes up off a right backward inside edge, to take off for a double flip I do that same three turn and the only difference is that instead off bringing the left foot through and around to vault off the right foot my left toe pick goes into the ice. For Yulia she would do a left outside three turn and her right foot needs to come though and for the flip a left outside three turn and the right toe pick goes into the ice. For both the flip and salchow the take-off edge is a left backward inside edge.

For all the other jumps the take-offs are vastly different, Axel is off a forward outside edge, obviously, the toe-loop takes off a backward outside edge, well the loop is a litte bit similar in that is takes off that same backward outside edge as the toe loop but the mechanics are too different to compare unlike with the flip and salchow, and the lutz is off a backward out side edge but you need to rotate opposite from the way the momentum of the toe pick would normally carry you.

I don't think Yulia really has any problems with toe jumps though, its just the adjustment to the boots that's tripping her up. In the last two full seasons Yulia generally only had trouble with her edge jumps, salchow and loop.

That explains a lot to me. So did she fall on those two similar jumps (similar in take offs) mostly because of weak take offs? I recall that she looked pretty wobbly in the take off when she fell in TEB. So you put the blame mostly on the boots. That makes sense given her history of few falls. Is there nothing they can do about the boots? Do you think she will eventually overcome the adjustment problems by practicing in those boots day after day? Or is it going to be year after year--in other words, is there any way of predicting how long she will need to adjust? It's hard for me to believe that she is stuck with boots that impair her performance, that there is so little choice in skating boots. ... If I read you correctly, as a rule we shouldn't get worried because of jumps missed in practice. I feel better already. Thanks so much for your detailed answer.

 

[Alba]

@sjid: I tried to convert her videos into pictures but the free download it's the unregistered edition and they put watermark on output images. :disapp:
They for the license code but I have none. What kind of free download is that? :scowl:

 

[sjid]

You mean the Flip and the Salchow? They both takes off from a back inside edge and lands on the back outside edge of the opposite foot, but the preparation and technique of the two jumps are different. I don't know what might be her problem though.
Last season she didn't have problems with the flip, if I'm not mistaken?

Salchow (edge jump): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_KZeYwD2dU
Flip (toe jump): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zb8C7lnYVk

Thanks, Alba. Those were the two jumps that Sam mentioned. I asked this because, if there is something in common with the jumps she misses (such as take off), then that part is where she has trouble. I was just curious about how specific the problem is. Isabel says this has a lot to do with boots, and I think that is the problem because Yulia has said the same thing. So why can't they adjust her boots? Pardon my naivete, I know nothing about the technique of skating, but this sounds like a problem we might have to live with in the 19th C, it shouldn't be something she has to endure today. It wouldn't take me 3 months to change brands if I was tripping down the street because my shoes didn't break in. After all she has overcome, must it come down to a pair of shoes? This is asking a lot of her.

 

[Alba]

That explains a lot to me. So did she fall on those two similar jumps (similar in take offs) mostly because of weak take offs? I recall that she looked pretty wobbly in the take off when she fell in TEB.

At TEB I could easily see the fall was coming before she fell. Her body position was way too horizontal.

 

[sjid]

@sjid: I tried to convert her videos into pictures but the free download it's the unregistered edition and they put watermark on output images. :disapp:
They for the license code but I have none. What kind of free download is that? :scowl:

Very sorry, Alba. It's the one I found, in an effort to help anyone wanting to see what I describe. I got mine from a free software site when it was temporarily offered (no longer available). I feel really bad about this. I can't post pictures on here, otherwise I would put up a sample for everyone to see. Maybe somebody can suggest another conversion software or another site. You won't believe your eyes, I mean she is incredible, superhuman.

 

[sjid]

At TEB I could easily see the fall was coming before she fell. Her body position was way too horizontal.

Maybe her difficulties will soon be over, as you have assured me before, and still do patiently. Her attitude is good, and as long as it isn't upsetting her it's all good. I was just curious to find a "common denominator" so that I could understand what she is up against.

 

[Alba]

Thanks, Alba. Those were the two jumps that Sam mentioned. I asked this because, if there is something in common with the jumps she misses (such as take off), then that part is where she has trouble. I was just curious about how specific the problem is. Isabel says this has a lot to do with boots, and I think that is the problem because Yulia has said the same thing. So why can't they adjust her boots? Pardon my naivete, I know nothing about the technique of skating, but this sounds like a problem we might have to live with in the 19th C, it shouldn't be something she has to endure today. It wouldn't take me 3 months to change brands if I was tripping down the street because my shoes didn't break in. After all she has overcome, must it come down to a pair of shoes? This is asking a lot of her.

I'm not an expert on boots either. She is using Edea, but I don't know which one because there different types: Ice Flys, Concerto, Chorus, Overture etc. Gold, Chan, Yuzuru, Duhamel&Redford etc. use them.
From what I read around they are easy to break in. Have a short adaption period.
I think by now she had plenty of time to get used into the new boots, but everyone is different. So, I don't really know.

This is an interesting topic about Edea and you can get more info. http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/index.php?threads/edea-skates-anyone.84810/

 

[Alba]

Maybe her difficulties will soon be over, as you have assured me before, and still do patiently. Her attitude is good, and as long as it isn't upsetting her it's all good. I was just curious to find a "common denominator" so that I could understand what she is up against.

To tell you the truth I don't think there is a "common denominator" between the jumps.
I think the main thing here was the lack of preparation and the motivations. Meaning, it must've been hard for her to re-start (because it is a new start) all over after such a hard and difficult year as the Olympic one, and starting from being no. 2 in the world, basically no. 1 since Asada is not skating this year.
The small injuries she had, the new boots, changing programs 3 times are all things which add more pressure and irritation I guess.
However, she already did much better at TEB. So if she does even better here, it means she is on the right track for what it counts more: Russian Nationals and Worlds.

 

[Vanshilar]

Very sorry, Alba. It's the one I found, in an effort to help anyone wanting to see what I describe. I got mine from a free software site when it was temporarily offered (no longer available). I feel really bad about this. I can't post pictures on here, otherwise I would put up a sample for everyone to see. Maybe somebody can suggest another conversion software or another site. You won't believe your eyes, I mean she is incredible, superhuman.

Um sorry I haven't kept up with the whole thread but...what video are you trying to convert and what part of it?

I wrote some Matlab scripts to convert parts of videos into animated gifs during the Olympics (which is how I made and posted the gifs), I can easily change the parameters given the details like the video, start time, stop time, etc.

 

[Alba]

Um sorry I haven't kept up with the whole thread but...what video are you trying to convert and what part of it?

I wrote some Matlab scripts to convert parts of videos into animated gifs during the Olympics (which is how I made and posted the gifs), I can easily change the parameters given the details like the video, start time, stop time, etc.

We were speaking about this program: http://www.watermark-software.com/video-to-picture/video-to-picture.html

Welcome back. Nice to read you again.

 

[Vanshilar]

Oh I meant the video; given a video and what portion you want it to be "picturefied" I can easily convert it into an animated gif and post it on flickr. I guess in theory anyone could if they have Matlab.

 

[sjid]

Um sorry I haven't kept up with the whole thread but...what video are you trying to convert and what part of it?

I wrote some Matlab scripts to convert parts of videos into animated gifs during the Olympics (which is how I made and posted the gifs), I can easily change the parameters given the details like the video, start time, stop time, etc.

Vanshilar, like the knight in shining armor, you've come at the right moment. Here is the challenge. I have software that will take the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YaVfbMwtO0 and convert it into a series of still images at a rate of 5 frames per second. This freezes the motion, so it lets me imagine, or extrapolate the movement between images. In other words, I can see how much she changes in 1/5 of a second. Also, it lets me see the shapes that she assumes which the eye misses at the rate of 5 per seecond. I am using software called Video to Picture version 5.0. The free source for downloading that I suggested doesn't work properly. Do you know an intuiutive program that can be downloaded free, that can extract at a frame rate of approximately 5 frames per second?

 

[Alba]

Oh I meant the video; given a video and what portion you want it to be "picturefied" I can easily convert it into an animated gif and post it on flickr. I guess in theory anyone could if they have Matlab.

I wanted a free download program for myself. Matlab is free?