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Yulia Lipnitskaya

lenok83 said:
In FS Julia fought as best she could. Fell down, stood up, fell... the Program was not thrown. I think this is a great resistance - to go and fight in conditions, when the Federation and judges not on your side...
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That's true but it's more about willing to go on rather than physical strength. Meoima is speaking about lack of stamina, which could very well be.

lenok83 said:
The tech pannel
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Oh right. So he was criticising them for not being more strict with her. How honest of him. :sarcasm:
 
YesWay said:
My opinion is - unless you're a pro, that needs to sell photos and make poster-sized prints... that level of equipment is completely unnecessary.

Actually, I disapprove of DSLR's in the audience anyway - I think people who use them are selfish and inconsiderate. They are distractingly noisy for people nearby, and the lenses may be so large that they obstruct the view of their neighbours, or even smack them in the face. Or force them to sit uncomfortably and keep one eye on the photographer, to avoid getting smacked in the face. I am pleased that many venues ban such cameras.

I used cameras like that myself for many years, but I got fed up of carrying those big noisy clunkers, and a bag of lenses. And I never used them in the audience at skate competitions etc anyway. I switched entirely to "bridge" cameras years ago - once they reached a certain level of speed and performance. The results are perfectly adequate for viewing onscreen, or printing up to A4.

For my still photos I currently use a Panasonic FZ1000. Previously I used a Panasonic FZ200 which gave pretty similar results, but is not quite as fast or sophisticated as the FZ1000. Both are very quiet and compact compared to the DSLR equivelents. I use the FZ1000 for video sometimes too. And my wife's video camera (used for the video I linked) is a Panasonic V550. We do everything hand-held, no tripods or monopods.

Both the FZ1000 and V550 have 5-axis image stabilisation and "auto-level" for video recording... which are awesome - if you can hold a camera fairly steady, and pan fairly smoothly, your video can look like you were using a tripod.
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You certainly have proved that with your video. Amazing. Your experience must help just a little? Can I safely assume that your choice of vantage point was no accident? ..... It's not just your video. Also the stills. That shot of Eteri and Yulia together is a treasure. Anyone who doubts they are the perfect match, please take a look at that incredible photo. Your work is expressive, smart and beautiful. It is a revelation to see R&J without the pressures. The third section is a completely new experience which I am so grateful you documented. Thanks you so much, so very much.
 
Alba said:
Oh right. So he was criticising them for not being more strict with her. How honest of him. :sarcasm:
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Forget'em, Alba. They serve a single purpose, to poison the spirit. They are beneath contempt.

Going back to our finding a proper name for R&J. Please watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR_Zs6GemYc beginning at about 34 seconds, continue through to where she stops to think, at about 58 seconds. She lifts herself into flight, she leaves the earth and soars. The entire sequence is organic, of a single inspiration. She incorporates even jumps into this soaring ecstasy. My reaction as I watched, this is the wings of love. Wings of Love.
 
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sjid said:
Forget'em, Alba. They serve a single purpose, to poison the spirit. They are beneath contempt.

Going back to our finding a proper name for R&J. Please watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR_Zs6GemYc beginning at about 34 seconds, continue through to where she stops to think, at about 58 seconds. She lifts herself into flight, she leaves the earth and soars. The entire sequence is organic, of a single inspiration. She incorporates even jumps into this soaring ecstacy. My reaction as I watched, this is the wings of love. Wings of Love.
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I love that moment too. I like your names: Fantasia on love, wings of love. It's great.:)
Pity we didn't see the step sequence here.
 
sjid said:
You certainly have proved that with your video. Amazing. Your experience must help just a little? Can I safely assume that your choice of vantage point was no accident? ..... It's not just your video. Also the stills. That shot of Eteri and Yulia together is a treasure. Anyone who doubts they are the perfect match, please take a look at that incredible photo. Your work is expressive, smart and beautiful. It is a revelation to see R&J without the pressures. The third section is a completely new experience which I am so grateful you documented. Thanks you so much, so very much.
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Thanks - and yes, I've had quite some practice! A little knowledge about cameras and photography goes a long way too.

Choice of vantage point... actually, all the best places were taken by the time we got there LOL. It was pretty crowded! We just picked a spot with a clear view, away from everyone else, in the hopes that people wouldn't keep walking in front of the camcorder. My wife's video came out quite well, and my stills are easy anyway - some locations are better than others of course, but you can usually get some good shots no matter where you are - you just have to be ready to catch them. (By the way, did you see my photos of Julia at TEB 2014? We had a pretty good spot there, for getting closeups of the skaters as they entered and left the ice...)

Bear in mind I only post a fraction of the photos I take. It's not like all my stuff is good! Lots are simply duds - the subject turned away, my panning was off (wrong kind of motion blur), I got the focus wrong, I thought something interesting was about to happen but it didn't... etc. I delete all those. Of the remainder, I pick out the ones that I think are pleasing or interesting. I don't post photos that are unflattering, that the skater themselves might not like if they ever saw it. (eg. I rarely post photos of skaters mid-jump! :-D)
 
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lenok83 said:
On this training FS in Barcelona skipped sequence of steps and a lot of other connecting elements. Therefore Julia saved a lot of strength for jumping. It should be noted that the problems she starts after the sequence of steps, ready really lasted for 2 minutes (SP or half FS).


I think what also points to the fact that it's something to do with stamina is in GPF she was behind the music- to the extent that she left out her spiral (I know there were the falls but that wouldn't cause her to be as behind the music as she was here.)
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I might be the only one, but I really enjoyed her music cut for R&J. I thought it was beautiful and its a shame we'll probably never get to see it again...I know her SL stole everyone's hearts last season but program-wise I think I might like her R&J better. :slink: Its a plus that her dress(es) is :love:
 
makaihime said:
I might be the only one, but I really enjoyed her music cut for R&J. I thought it was beautiful and its a shame we'll probably never get to see it again...I know her SL stole everyone's hearts last season but program-wise I think I might like her R&J better. :slink: Its a plus that her dress(es) is :love:
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I agree that the music was a bit better...but we could never fully compare the two unless we see her skate it clean at another competition. But we definitely could speculate the potential of the R&J program. It was there and IMO, it would have been almost or as mesmerizing as SL...but the world may never know...
 
YesWay said:
Thanks - and yes, I've had quite some practice! A little knowledge about cameras and photography goes a long way too.

Choice of vantage point... actually, all the best places were taken by the time we got there LOL. It was pretty crowded! We just picked a spot with a clear view, away from everyone else, in the hopes that people wouldn't keep walking in front of the camcorder. My wife's video came out quite well, and my stills are easy anyway - some locations are better than others of course, but you can usually get some good shots no matter where you are - you just have to be ready to catch them. (By the way, did you see my photos of Julia at TEB 2014? We had a pretty good spot there, for getting closeups of the skaters as they entered and left the ice...)

Bear in mind I only post a fraction of the photos I take. It's not like all my stuff is good! Lots are simply duds - the subject turned away, my panning was off (wrong kind of motion blur), I got the focus wrong, I thought something interesting was about to happen but it didn't... etc. I delete all those. Of the remainder, I pick out the ones that I think are pleasing or interesting. I don't post photos that are unflattering, that the skater themselves might not like if they ever saw it. (eg. I rarely post photos of skaters mid-jump! :-D)
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Yulia is famous for her graceful flowing movement. I am equally fascinated by the poses she assumes within that flow. One of your photos reveals a pose that I hadn't seen before. Photo #16 in the TEB R&J set (http://photos.phantomkabocha.com/FigureSkating/TEB2014/JuliaLipnitskaia/imgpages/image015.html ) shows a remarkable shape that deserves some comment. Notice the right arm is bent upward at a right angle, and below it the right leg is also at a right angle, both in the same plane. In addition to this symmetry, the angle of inclination of the bent arm and leg are identical. If you draw a line along the lower arm and another line along the lower leg, these two lines will be parallel. Now look across to the other leg. It is very nearly parallel to those lines on the left. The upper right arm and leg are also nearly parallel. Finally, notice how the right arm-body-right leg form a "square C" and the two legs form a second sqaure C. This has the effect of the "square C" figure rotated across 90 degrees. If we step back and look at the shape, it is two square C's at right angles, which is also the angle of the sides of the C's. There is also a third sqaure C, formed by head and right arm. This is one of those pure shapes that geometry teachers die for. Notice also how she extends her fingers for drama. Try this on a deep carpet in the comfort of your home. Then keep in mind that she is moving so fast you won't see this elaborate shape in real time.

I stumbled across her interior world of shapes as I randomly froze frames of videos to better appreciate her balletic qualities. Her micro-world of shapes is just as impressive as the greater world of movement we see in videos. Your photos show some of that intricacy.

Have you ever watched Eteri as Yulia skates? Since you have two cameras capable of videos, how about using one to record Yulia and the other Eteri. Could you then combine the two videos into a single video, say picture-within-picture? There is no better way to appreciate Eteri's involvement than by watching her watch Yulia.

Thanks again for the practice video. We haven't had many chances to see what Yulia wanted to do in R&J. I am amazed at the quality of your camera. I have been out of the latest-equipment loop for a couple of years, I had no idea how much progress in such a short time.
 
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sjid said:
Have you ever watched Eteri as Yulia skates? Since you have two cameras capable of videos, how about using one to record Yulia and the other Eteri. Could you then combine the two videos into a single video, say picture-within-picture? There is no better way to appreciate Eteri's involvement than by watching her watch Yulia.
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I haven't really watched her closely, since I'm generally watching the skating instead! But I don't think there's much to see, really. She doesn't seem as "active" as say, Morozov or Orser...

The only major reaction I can remember from Eteri, was when Pitkeev was skating at TEB. When he messed up his lutz a second time, I think she stamped or kicked the boards (didn't see it, only heard it), and looked slightly annoyed. We only noticed becase we were front row, and quite close to where she was standing. It's not something you could easily catch in a video, you wouldn't hear it if you were sitting further away, and you certainly wouldn't see it if you were on the other side of the rink.

Interesting idea about recording Eteri while Julia is skating. But my wife is in charge of video, and she often doesn't record competition skates, if we know recordings of TV broadcasts will be readily available - they are generally better quality. Sure, it's nice to get a different angle than the TV, and have your own unique video souvenir... but on the other hand - why go to a live competition, only to watch it via a tiny 3" camcorder screen?! I also typically spend more time watching the skating with my own eyes, than peering at it through my camera viewfinder.

More often, we video practice sessions, because they are rarely televised. But coaches do not really "react" much during practices, so I'm not sure they are worth recording there.

"Coach-cam" footage could be added to a TV broadcast recording instead... but for us, getting that coach footage would probably require a third camera - on a tripod, zoomed in on Eteri, recording unattended. (If I'm using my camera at all, I am usually "under orders" to take photos, not video. Meanwhile, my wife would be watching or videoing the skating, not the coach). You can imagine, setting up a camera on a tripod... amongst an audience... not really feasible, and it would be a nuisance to carry the extra equipment.

So... great idea, but I'm afraid it's not practical for us. Maybe somebody else could take up that challenge...!
 
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YesWay said:
I haven't really watched her closely, since I'm generally watching the skating instead! But I don't think there's much to see, really. She doesn't seem as "active" as say, Morozov or Orser...

The only major reaction I can remember from Eteri, was when Pitkeev was skating at TEB. When he messed up his lutz a second time, I think she stamped or kicked the boards (didn't see it, only heard it), and looked slightly annoyed. We only noticed becase we were front row, and quite close to where she was standing. It's not something you could easily catch in a video, you wouldn't hear it if you were sitting further away, and you certainly wouldn't see it if you were on the other side of the rink.

Interesting idea about recording Eteri while Julia is skating. But my wife is in charge of video, and she often doesn't record competition skates, if we know recordings of TV broadcasts will be readily available - they are generally better quality. Sure, it's nice to get a different angle than the TV, and have your own unique video souvenir... but on the other hand - why go to a live competition, only to watch it via a tiny 3" camcorder screen?! I also typically spend more time watching the skating with my own eyes, than peering at it through my camera viewfinder.

More often, we video practice sessions, because they are rarely televised. But coaches do not really "react" much during practices, so I'm not sure they are worth recording there.

"Coach-cam" footage could be added to a TV broadcast recording instead... but for us, getting that coach footage would probably require a third camera - on a tripod, zoomed in on Eteri, recording unattended. (If I'm using my camera at all, I am usually "under orders" to take photos, not video. Meanwhile, my wife would be watching or videoing the skating, not the coach). You can imagine, setting up a camera on a tripod... amongst an audience... not really feasible, and it would be a nuisance to carry the extra equipment.

So... great idea, but I'm afraid it's not practical for us. Maybe somebody else could take up that challenge...!
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http://vk.com/wall243068906_170 This will give you a notion of what I'm talking about. Eteri mirrors every movement on the ice, as if she is physically connected to Yulia. Like an exotic dance of two intensely focused partners. Eteri and Yulia are one. Notice Eteri analyzing the performance immediately after it ends, rubbing her nose. Exactly like Yulia, as when Yulia often glides off the final pose, already deep in thought about her performance, rubbing her nose!
 
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