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Yulia Lipnitskaya

witcher said:
She was Junior Russian Champion :agree:


I'd say being Russian national champion in figure skating is pretty big deal these days... ;)
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Actually no, just ask as I said Yagudin. Olympic champion, 4-times World champ., European champ. Do you really think he has any regrets not winning Russian National? And Yulia knows this, she said it in a TV-interview.
 
Well, she was answering to the question about plans/hopes for the next season and the first thing that came to her mind was that she wanted to become Russian Champ, BUT she admitted she knows many happy people who'd never been one. So you can read that quote either way.:)
 
irrelevant said:
Please explain to me why the ISU scoring system is so inconsistent, extremely varying between international and national scores.

On a international scale, the highest combined score this season of Elena Radionova was 203.92, but at Russian Nationals, it was sickening 217.45.
On the other hand, Yulia's SP score at the Russian nationals was very bad compared to international events, despite she delivered a clean program.

This isn't exclusive to Russians, same applies to Ashley Wagner.

Ashley's best score ever at international events this season was 189.50, but a week ago at the US National Championships, she scored a incredibly unbelievable score of 221.02, which is hilarious considering her inferior jumping technique to the Russians (she isn't only rotating counter-clockwise, but is very prone to land on both of her feet).

For me, it seems like the national judges cherrypick one favourite, and ignore the rest. And Yulia inevitably lost the priviledge of being the darling of the Russian judges, at last since that drama at the Cup of China.

And it's kinda impossible to restore that condition ever again, when there are fail-safe prodigies like Radionova, Medvedeva. Everything is lost.

Yulia, I love you, but the odds are so much against you.

Yes, I don't deny that you failed that season, but you can't deny the fact that the whole judging system in that sports is so unbelievable subjective. Once you lost all support of the people who judge you, you're finished, because those people never change.
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I think this is an overly cynical and inaccurate interpretation of events.

Scores at Nationals are inflated all the time. It is not limited to a few skaters.

But unlike Elena (whose Nationals performances were about equal to her TEB ones) or Ashley (whose Nationals performances were much, much better than anything she did internationally), Yulia actually skated much worse at Nationals than she did for her best performances of the season (TEB).

Her SP looked clean to the naked eye, but she received some edge and UR calls. YMMV if those calls were fair (I think we can argue she deserved to be closer to the Top 3), but she did look tight throughout the skate. I think bringing back the lutz-toe was a mistake. She was pulling higher marks with 3T-3T, because having both lutz and flip in one program seemed to highlight her unsteadiness on both edges, and it actually hurt her at both GPF and Nationals.

Your assertion that Yulia won't make it 'cause "National judges don't like her" has been made before. It's been made when Liza had a meltdown at Nationals last year, received terrible PCS, and missed the Olympics. People said she'd never come back, because even if she skated clean, the other girls would too since they were so consistent, and they'd always receive better marks. A lot changed since then.

I hope Yulia and her team are working on improvement, rather than ruminating on the judging.

waterskiiiepic123 said:
A. Yagudin has never been a national champion, Russian judges didn't like him not a big deal really.
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He was never Russian National Champion because he tended to underperform at Nationals. There was one title that might've been questionable, but for the most part it had nothing to do with 'Russian judges didn't like him.'
 
That's awesome Alba!!! She really brings the best out in a lot of people. It's been so fun keeping up with her and her fans ;)
 
Sandpiper said:
Yulia actually skated much worse at Nationals than she did for her best performances of the season (TEB).
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Her FS aside, I don't think so. She also made little mistakes in Spain, and in China and France, she only jumped 3T+3T as opener. Yet her China score became unsurpassed by far, why?

You can ask any Russian, despite her huge nation-wide popularity, Yulia doesn't have such a strong support from the figure skating federation than Sotnikova or Radionova for instance. She has a long history of losing against Sotnikova only over the subjective presentation score ... Look at what unreal scores Sotnikova got at Sochi Olympics, even some Russians I spoke to were ashamed of it.

Sandpiper said:
Her SP looked clean to the naked eye, but she received some edge and UR calls. YMMV if those calls were fair (I think we can argue she deserved to be closer to the Top 3), but she did look tight throughout the skate. I think bringing back the lutz-toe was a mistake. She was pulling higher marks with 3T-3T, because having both lutz and flip in one program seemed to highlight her unsteadiness on both edges, and it actually hurt her at both GPF and Nationals.
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Her 3Lz+3T wasn't highlighted at the GPF, and there she pulled the highest mark. She made some other mistakes, though. And that's what I'm saying all along, she isn't in particular failing at the difficult jumping cascades, but often at the most trivial jumps.

Your post actually inspired me to make a 4in1 video, joining all her Megapolis performances into one video so that you can compare directly. I also added the final scores for each component.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZztPyet5uqQ (watch in 1080p).

On a sidenote, I also have the 1080p version of SP+FP of Russian championship on my channel (from JapaneseTV).
 
Alba said:
I would love to see her with Kill Bill. :rock:

I'm not sure about Mulan and Kill Bill in the same year though. They are both fighters, although the stories are different. Anyway, the important thing is that she has a lot of time available now to work on her skating and be strong physically.
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Movie music adapts well to skating because it is written for visual purposes. But for Yulia, there is a danger with using the movie title for her program. Her programs don't represent movies, she abstracts something from them. From R&J it was first love (not the inhumanity of clan conflict), from SL it was a girl torn from family (not the holocaust). Anyone reading this thread remembers the confusion over R&J movie versus R&J program, how we looked for things that weren't there. If she were to use music from Kill Bill, she should find another name for the program, a name which directly tells us what she is expressing. For example, call it Requiem, and perhaps dedicate it to children who are victims of violence (which she feels strongly about, according to VK posts, Schindler's List). The music from Kill Bill sharply contrasts with music from Mulan, as music they can be used together without connections. Avoid irrelevant connections and focus on what she wants to say--just get rid of movie titles and keep the music using better program names, no matter what music is chosen. A more thoughtful choreographer would help her avoid this unnecessary confusion.
 
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irrelevant said:
Her FS aside, I don't think so. She also made little mistakes in Spain, and in China and France, she only jumped 3T+3T as opener. Yet her China score became unsurpassed by far, why?

You can ask any Russian, despite her huge nation-wide popularity, Yulia doesn't have such a strong support from the figure skating federation than Sotnikova or Radionova for instance. She has a long history of losing against Sotnikova only over the subjective presentation score ... Look at what unreal scores Sotnikova got at Sochi Olympics, even some Russians I spoke to were ashamed of it.


Her 3Lz+3T wasn't highlighted at the GPF, and there she pulled the highest mark. She made some other mistakes, though. And that's what I'm saying all along, she isn't in particular failing at the difficult jumping cascades, but often at the most trivial jumps.

Your post actually inspired me to make a 4in1 video, joining all her Megapolis performances into one video so that you can compare directly. I also added the final scores for each component.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZztPyet5uqQ (watch in 1080p).

On a sidenote, I also have the 1080p version of SP+FP of Russian championship on my channel (from JapaneseTV).
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OMG!!! Four Yulia's at once. Can't compute...system overloaded....

Thanks for sharing that.
 
sjid said:
Avoid irrelevant connections and focus on what she wants to say--just get rid of movie titles and keep the music using better program names, no matter what music is chosen. A more thoughtful choreographer would help her avoid this unnecessary confusion.
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I fully agree. :thumbsup:
 
witcher said:
I agree with you to some degree. There is a strong and influential group in Russian skating, that is very inappreciative and reserved towards Julia to say the least. Some individuals expressed even some authentic antipathy and contempt (you know their names).

If she hopefully continues her stellar career, I expect her to become world champion much sooner than national champion. :rolleye:
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Thankfully, I don't know the names. I am blissfully naive about the dirty side. Could this have anything to do with her emerging from oblivion to steal medals, the spotlight, and public affection from their handpicked blue bloods? I am astonished at how widespread is blind prejudice which ignores accomplishment however impressive. I hope that they learn something important from Yulia. Fortunately I see no evidence of this among her peers. There was a recent set of Yulia and Radionova photos. they were having a good time together like two normal kids. More power to them.
 
Sam-Skwantch said:
That's awesome Alba!!! She really brings the best out in a lot of people. It's been so fun keeping up with her and her fans ;)
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Alba said:
She stimulate the fantasy and creativity in her fans. ;)
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This is so true. Yulia magic. I have zero background in skating and am a one-skater man. If you had told me a year ago that I could be so taken by some kid on skates from Russia, I would have blasted you with a derisive harangue on how some things just don't happen. If you had described Yulia, I would have accused you of exaggerating wildly with the perfection filter that comes with a teenager's mad crush. I have never known of anyone with so many outstanding qualities, who inspires so much that is good in others. Papa loved to talk about just that affect.
 
borzaya said:
The cover of a sports magazine - https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd...._=1431367712_ed47e97ed1e57f85b42c92e309eb563c
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Wow, she looks really amazing there.

Maybe it's just because Yulia was the one who brought me back to watching figure skating (not that I was ever to the point of watching it on streams or obsessively reading about skaters on forums before she won Junior Worlds) but I 'm finding it almost impossible to watch skating now. Before the Olympics I trusted the judging (obviously certain people will disagree on result if their favorite didn't do well) but overall I though the judges were marking based on what they see but now I'm finding that I can't quite believe it. Nationals are always inflated but seeing the point spread first at Russian Nats in the Ladies and now at US Nats in the same discipline it seems blatantly obvious the problems. And I just can't stomach a sport where the Number 1 ranked skater cannot compete at any Championships. Well #2 but you know what I mean. All she has to do is compete at one other international event and she'll be above Mao. And if she competes at a couple she'll remain #1 whether or not Elizaveta wins Worlds.

Rant over. :slink: I won't ever stop watching Yulia's skating though.
 
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