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Yulia Lipnitskaya

Sandpiper, I forgot to mention that pain, however severe, may not be the worst outcome. If she pushes herself too much, she could become disabled either now or in the future. I suspect this concern is what motivated the specialists' advice. I am not arguing with you, we agree on practically everything. I left this thread for several days because I didn't want to read more bleak reports on her mental or physical condition. She has given us good reason to be concerned, and you know Yulia--she never tells us everything.
I meant that metaphorically. Pain is certainly not the key point here.

Yulia should indeed weigh the severity of her injuries with her desire to continue competing. I don't have enough medical knowledge to say one way or the other... Many athletes have come back from devastating injuries, to great success (Hongbo Zhao, Elena Berezhnaya, Tatiana Totmianina). I won't lie, I will be sad if Yulia retires... with her abilities and talent, I'd hoped to see her win a World/GPF title at the very least. But at the same time, we don't know what further competition will bring, both in terms of results and (more importantly) her health.
 
I wonder about other ladies? Do they have to suffer from the same amount of injuries? Or in Yulia's case it's more problematic and more severe? If it's because of her body having more tendency to get injuries, then I hope she will stop for the sake of her health. She's already a champion. If she stops now and only skates in shows, I have absolutely nothing against that decision. And I will continue to support her even in ice shows.

Both she and Sotnikova, the 2 Sochi gold medalists, are seriously injured. Yulia's legendary work ethic undoubtedly contributes. She stops at nothing. I don't see a problem with shows, they may well be more harmonious with her way of skating. My concern with competitions has everything to do with the speclaiists' advice. Sixteen-year-olds tend to see themselves as invincible, they'll never die, never be sick, etc etc. Plus being a great figure skater is her identity.
 
The doctor's advice was during the 2012-2013 season, which was hard for her following the injuries. I don't think she is doing something now which she is not suppose to do.

An athlete which has injuries during his/her career is nothing new or something to be alarmed of. It happens in all sports. Roberto Baggio seriously injured his right knee, shattering the cruciate ligaemnt at the age of 18, and was adviced by several team doctors to not play again because according to them that was a career ending injury. He had another injury which caused him to tear the anterior cruciate ligament of his left knee, then hee suffered another injury, tearing the meniscus in his left knee. I have lost counts of how many times the guy was seriously injured during his whole career. Totti overcome what could have been a career-ending injury and make it to the World Cup against all odds, playing the entire time World Cup 2006 with metal plates in his ankle that had yet to be removed after the surgery.
Yagudin had a congenital hip disorder. Plushenko was hammered by injuries as we all know. Yuna Kim had many problems, Tessa Virtue as well, not to mention the gymnastic etc.etc.etc. All athletes, at this level, have various problems. It is not unsual and Yulia is not a special case tbh.
Yulia, in my view, more from anything else suffered from lack of motivation this season. Add to that the poor preparation, changing the boots, changing the LP 3 times, brought up psychological issues.
She had a long break, which she needed, and now she is re-working her technique and on her SS. That's something good and to cheer for, but above all patience.
 
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I meant that metaphorically. Pain is certainly not the key point here.

Yulia should indeed weigh the severity of her injuries with her desire to continue competing. I don't have enough medical knowledge to say one way or the other... Many athletes have come back from devastating injuries, to great success (Hongbo Zhao, Elena Berezhnaya, Tatiana Totmianina). I won't lie, I will be sad if Yulia retires... with her abilities and talent, I'd hoped to see her win a World/GPF title at the very least. But at the same time, we don't know what further competition will bring, both in terms of results and (more importantly) her health.

Feet and ankles are difficult because there are no big bones to work with, and the entire body weight is concentrated on a few square inches. Read some about varus and valgus deformities, flatfoot disorders, misaligned feet. This is especially a problem for skaters, who require joint strength and normal feet just to land and spin properly. She can't land correctly if the foot is bent to the side. Surgery of the ankle and foot is really tricky. If the ankle is severely damaged, there is not much bone mass to attach artificial joints onto, and there is presently about a 30% failure-to-improve rate for ankle replacements (which includes patients who are worse afterward). If the foot and ankle are damaged, it must be reconstructed before replacing the ankle. If you are young there is the problem of durability. Replacements have a lifetime of only 10-15 years. The area around the replacement does't tolerate repeated surgeries well. In the case pf ankle replacement and foot reconstruction, recovery time is as much as a year, depending on what has to be done. If either the ankle or the foot goes, the patient should modify activity to a safe level in order to avoid further damage to the structures already damaged, and to avoid damage spreading to other parts of the ankle and foot because of misalignment. Stress fractures require time to heal. She reports that she had several during the season and then skated at the end of that season. These are the injuries we know of.
 
The doctor's advice was during the 2012-2013 season, which was hard for her following the injuries. I don't think she is doing something now which she is not suppose to do.

An athlete which has injuries during his/her career is nothing new or something to be alarmed of. It happens in all sports. Roberto Baggio seriously injured his right knee, shattering the cruciate ligaemnt at the age of 18, and was adviced by several team doctors to not play again because according to them that was a career ending injury. He had another injury which caused him to tear the anterior cruciate ligament of his left knee, then hee suffered another injury, tearing the meniscus in his left knee. I have lost counts of how many times the guy was seriously injured during his whole career. Totti overcome what could have been a career-ending injury and make it to the World Cup against all odds, playing the entire time World Cup 2006 with metal plates in his ankle that had yet to be removed after the surgery.
Yagudin had a congenital hip disorder. Plushenko was hammered by injuries as we all know. Yuna Kim had many problems, Tessa Virtue as well, not to mention the gymnastic etc.etc.etc. All athletes, at this level, have various problems. It is not unsual and Yulia is not a special case tbh.

Yulia, in my view, more from anything else suffered from lack of motivation this season. Add to that the poor preparation, changing the boots, changing the LP 3 times, brought up psychological issues.
She had a long break, which she needed, and now she is re-working her technique and on her SS. That's something good and to cheer for, but above all patience.

Alba, this is why I object. Sports should not sacrifice athletes. The limitations of the body must be respected. The advice of her doctors was unconditional, her later success doesn't mean the doctors were wrong, nor does it mean that she won't suffer later. What happens if the injury is ignored? What happens to these people when they are 50? More than usual I hope you are right.
 
Alba, this is why I object. Sports should not sacrifice athletes. The limitations of the body must be respected.

The limitations of the body must be respected but there is not a single athlete, let alone an elite one, which does not push their limits. That's what competitions at these levels are all about. This is not limited to sport only. You know very well that this applies to the ballet as well. The great Maya Plisetskaya would not be a prima ballerina, now, in any big ballet company, for example. ;)
It's the same in sports. Before they did figures in FS. Later they started with singles, then doubles, now triples and quadruples. Tomorrow who knows. That is how the sport works, and let's not forget that the great developments have been made in sport medicine and especially in preventive medicine.

The advice of her doctors was unconditional, her later success doesn't mean the doctors were wrong, nor does it mean that she won't suffer later.

It doesn't mean that they are right either. In that moment perhaps, but right now I see no signs that she is somehow at a big risk. Not more than any other skater who has or have passed through this or even worse.

What happens if the injury is ignored? What happens to these people when they are 50? More than usual I hope you are right.

I don't know what happens when they are 50. We are all different but I suppose what happens to the majority of athletes. Risk is part of the sport, and unfortunately it cannot be separated. If the injuries are ignored is not good, but I don't think is Yulia's case. At least that is not what is reported here. I suppose she is in constant supervision of doctors. But above all, I believe she and her mom are wise enough to know what risk she can take and what not. I believe in them because: a) they have all the information needed. b) she is taken good care in her club. c) and this is the most important one, Yulia is very wise. :)
 
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The limitations of the body must be respected but there is not a single athlete, let alone an elite one, which does not push their limits. That's what competitions at these levels are all about. This is not limited to sport only. You know very well that this applies to the ballet as well. The great Maya Plisetskaya would not be a prima ballerina, now, in any big ballet company, for example. ;)
It's the same in sports. Before they did figures in FS. Later they started with singles, then doubles, now triples and quadruples. Tomorrow who knows. That is how the sport works, and let's not forget that the great developments have been made in sport medicine and especially in preventive medicine.



It doesn't mean that they are right either. In that moment perhaps, but right now I see no signs that she is somehow at a big risk. Not more than any other skater who has or have passed through this or even worse.



I don't know what happens when they are 50. We are all different but I suppose what happens to the majority of athletes. Risk is part of the sport, and unfortunately it cannot be separated. If the injuries are ignored is not good, but I don't think is Yulia's case. At least that is not what is reported here. I suppose she is in constant supervision of doctors. But above all, I believe she and her mom are wise enough to know what risk she can take and what not. I believe in them because: a) they have all the information needed. b) she is taken good care in her club. c) and this is the most important one, Yulia is very wise. :)

I'd feel much better if there were some good news and a good prognosis to balance what we know. Why wouldn't Yulia add good news to reassure anyone reading her recent interview?

If Vasiliev ever threw Osipova the way pairs skaters throw the females, I would either sue him or assassinate him.

The progression from singles to doubles to triples to ... has occurred to me. Just because it is possible doesn't make it safe or smart.

Two specialist physicians in agreement is a definition of near-certainty. They are not so good at predicting when.

Her "sad-eyed mom" in response to a journalist's question from the latest interview (geiger's translation, post 5189, page 346): "You should discuss everything with Yulia", and "It will be as Yulia decides"

Yulia is wise, but as papa used to remind us, she is also innocent in many ways. Get out of the way when she has made up her mind.

Thank you for your comforting words, Alba. I truly appreciate your thoughtfulness.
 
I don't have much to say about the discussion regarding Yulia's injuries but I will add that thru hard work and adversity comes genuine reward. Of course if she is unable to continue she should stop and I'm sure me and countless others would still support anything she did. I think it's possible she has learned to attain success thru hardship and maybe it's as important as anything else to the process.

Sidebar: I was at a public skate last summer and a young girl that I only see every so often was there and fell really hard at center ice while working on Camel Spins. If you've ever tried one you know there is a point of commitment to the momentum of the spin that can leave you quite vulnerable to gravity. Well this girl committed and hit the ice before being able to put her arms up. Chin and chest directly to the ice in an instant. I went over to her and asked if she was alright and if I could help. She said just leave me be please...I need to work this out alone. She is only about 11 or 12yrs old so I went and told her mom. Her mom said she is as tough as nails and there is no stopping her and that she has tried. Mom told me she knows when it's serious and knows to quit but it's in her nature to push it. I guess what I'm saying is these girls are tougher than they look and I think they know exactly what they are signing up for when they lace up the ole knife boots. I've had a massive surgery myself to repair broken and misshapen bones and I not only continue down the path of risk and adventure. I wouldn't change a thing. Even the injuries. Some may remember that from the Olympics until after WC's I was stuck on the couch with a broken knee cap from hitting the boards. I racked up 2000 posts in that period and hardly ever left the couch.
 
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Alba, this is why I object. Sports should not sacrifice athletes. The limitations of the body must be respected. The advice of her doctors was unconditional, her later success doesn't mean the doctors were wrong, nor does it mean that she won't suffer later. What happens if the injury is ignored? What happens to these people when they are 50? More than usual I hope you are right.
The athletes sacrifice themselves ... I guess in a way athletes don't respect their limitations, well, the successful ones certainly. And it's their right, isn't it? The only one who could interfere is Julia's mom and she says that Julia should decide herself ... we could discuss about that (I don't want to, in the end it only depends on the outcome of Julia's career, who's been right and who's been wrong.).
She's been so successful in the last years that it could be difficult for her to continue anyway.
But as long as Julia is able to sacrifice herself to the sport she will probably do it. Or she could participate in DWTS and start a photo modelling career. :ohwell:
So, what I wanted to say really is that I agree with Alba and Sam-Skwantch regarding injuries, dedication etc..
 
I'd feel much better if there were some good news and a good prognosis to balance what we know. Why wouldn't Yulia add good news to reassure anyone reading her recent interview?

But she didn't give bad news in her interview. She was speaking about problems with her boots regarding this season, but the injuries and the doctors advice was in reference to her past. I thought it was a very good and optimistic interview myself.

If Vasiliev ever threw Osipova the way pairs skaters throw the females, I would either sue him or assassinate him.

Well, it's not part of the ballet. But if it was he would most probably do that. :biggrin: My point is they too push the limits.

The progression from singles to doubles to triples to ... has occurred to me. Just because it is possible doesn't make it safe or smart.

That's sport and that FS. Either you do it or you don't. There are still moves who are not permited in FS because they are extremly dangerous, like the backflip that Bonaly used to do it. I'm not a big fan of quad throw myself, but some Pairs are doing it so others will follow.

Two specialist physicians in agreement is a definition of near-certainty. They are not so good at predicting when.

Maybe, or maybe not. As I said, there is always the risk.

Her "sad-eyed mom" in response to a journalist's question from the latest interview (geiger's translation, post 5189, page 346): "You should discuss everything with Yulia", and "It will be as Yulia decides"

Yulia's mom comment was not about injuries though. It was about Yulia going on, about her desire to compete. As for the "sad-eyed mom" remark, I honestly take that with a pinch of salt. It's typical of journalist to create some mood and "drama" even where there is none. Maybe she was just quite and calm, and the journalist took it, or liked to take it, as "sad eyes". You know, it's more "poetic", and we all know how they love to do that when it comes to Yulia.;)

Yulia is wise, but as papa used to remind us, she is also innocent in many ways. Get out of the way when she has made up her mind.

Yes but there is nothing right now to make me think that she is doing something crazy or that dangerous. Right now her actions are very normal for an athlete.
 
Yes but there is nothing right now to make me think that she is doing something crazy or that dangerous. Right now her actions are very normal for an athlete.

Hmm...judging by the crowd in the background I think she looks like she is in danger of getting pneumonia. Am I the only who wants to hop on a plane to Moscow and put a coat on her? :biggrin:

http://cs543108.vk.me/v543108213/851/JNUbTS8ekyc.jpg
 
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Hmm...judging by the crowd in the background I think she looks like she is in danger of getting pneumonia. Am I the only who wants to hop on a plane to Moscow and put a coat on her? :biggrin:

http://cs543108.vk.me/v543108213/851/JNUbTS8ekyc.jpg
Um, have you ever a) been rinkside at a skate competitions, or b) tried skating?!

Because you can can get pretty cold sitting next to the rink, doing nothing for several hours, with a cold wind off the rink from skaters whizzing by - hence audience wearing coats and blankets.

But if you're skating, you get pretty warm, pretty fast... so I don't think that photo is any cause to worry about Julia :-D

Having said that, I've seen competitions eg. Finlandia, where the skaters (including Julia) have spent a considerable amount of time after the medals, on the ice, in their competition costumes - signing autographs for huge crowds at rinkside. That's when you worry about them...!
 
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Um, have you ever a) been rinkside at a skate competitions, or b) tried skating?!

Because you can can get pretty cold sitting next to the rink, doing nothing for several hours, with a cold wind off the rink from skaters whizzing by - hence audience wearing coats and blankets.

But if you're skating, you get pretty warm, pretty fast... so I don't think that photo is any cause to worry about Julia :-D

Having said that, I've seen competitions eg. Finlandia, where the skaters (including Julia) have spent a considerable amount of time after the medals, on the ice, in their competition costumes - signing autographs for huge crowds at rinkside. That's when you worry about them...!

That was outdoors. It was that show at the Red Square, the link to it was given here already - http://visualrian.ru/ru/site/feature/448008/ People who live in Moscow were saying that it had been pretty cold that day...

I hope Yulia didn't have to be in that thin costume for too long.
Though she looks rather cold here, poor dear... - http://cs621529.vk.me/v621529008/11bfc/0GRbQsjjFd0.jpg
 
In the end it seems she doesn't care about who gave her the puppy lol.
That is true. She was a haopy girl. But she needs better protection for the rest of her career because she is so famous and loved and she may end up with stalkers if she hasn't already. But I hope that doesn't happen.
 
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