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Thank you Spiral!! I appreciate such a well thought out response. Sometimes we just need to take Mathman's advice and "Post Long" 
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Don't be. It was a very interesting post!
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TBH I don't remember all things that Yulia said during last season. I remember her saying that she just couldn't skate to Perfect Sense, and that's enough for me. I thought he was talking about Mulan, since she sounded more positive about it.
I was in school, I had obligations, I loved Beethoven and yet I couldn't play his violin concerto. It just didn't work, and we're talking about Beethoven (not Averbukh) and some might say "who the hell do you think you are?"
hwell:. When it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Simple as that. I was listening to Phillip Mills in his interview with TSL, and he was very sensitive about this.
He said I can see right from the start if it doesn't work for a skater but I also encourage skaters to tell me if something doesn't feel right because I would change it, because "I'm choreographing for you". This isn't a dance company when your job anyway is to obey (well maybe an étoile will not completely
) and dance to the vision of the choreographer hired by the company. This is sport and it's about individuals. The choreographer is hired to do a program for that individual skater and must represent him/her. There has to be trust and common grounds, but it doesn't mean that I, the skaters, should except everything. It might be a masterpiece but for somebody else, not for me.
That's the part I truly don't like and I didn't like the part about I&Z either. I thought it was only me who was reading too much into that.
I was in school, I had obligations, I loved Beethoven and yet I couldn't play his violin concerto. It just didn't work, and we're talking about Beethoven (not Averbukh) and some might say "who the hell do you think you are?"
hwell:. When it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Simple as that. I was listening to Phillip Mills in his interview with TSL, and he was very sensitive about this.He said I can see right from the start if it doesn't work for a skater but I also encourage skaters to tell me if something doesn't feel right because I would change it, because "I'm choreographing for you". This isn't a dance company when your job anyway is to obey (well maybe an étoile will not completely
) and dance to the vision of the choreographer hired by the company. This is sport and it's about individuals. The choreographer is hired to do a program for that individual skater and must represent him/her. There has to be trust and common grounds, but it doesn't mean that I, the skaters, should except everything. It might be a masterpiece but for somebody else, not for me. That's the part I truly don't like and I didn't like the part about I&Z either. I thought it was only me who was reading too much into that.
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I want to add that "the bad mom" is the favorite Vaitsekhovskaya's line then it comes to skaters who some way or another oppose TSKA. She used this line on Denis Ten and Elene Gedevanishvili mothers when they left Buyanova and now she is doing it on Yulia's mother
Averbukh wasn't fired, he just wasn't hired again. And for the point of him leaving her alone in her supposedly greatest need: I guess this man has other things to do, other engagements. Honestly, I think I've read a different interview. He's not perfect but I have the feeling that he's portrayed of beeing rather evil here. I don't like that.
We should wait until Julia, or her team says something about feeling mistreated by Averbukh. I won't believe it until then.
We should wait until Julia, or her team says something about feeling mistreated by Averbukh. I won't believe it until then.
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This ^
I think things are getting a bit out of hand in this thread.
I also don't think anyone here knows either Julia or Averbukh so well... or has enough first-hand information... that they are qualified to make detailed analyses of who said what, what they think, what they feel, what's important to them, what their motives and drivers are etc etc etc. And you can create any meaning you like from what people said, by taking selected words from second-hand translations, and putting your own interpretation to them.
By all means speculate! But as far as I'm concerned that's all it is - speculation!
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I highly doubt Yulia would ever engage in such a dialogue. At least to this point she never has. Maybe Eteri would say something but I highly doubt it. He hasn't really said anything that irresponsible or at least worthy of them to ever acknowledge. On the other hand he, as someone who does know Yulia personally, should probably know that the media is one her biggest weaknessess. Just look at how many negative false stories and attacks have come out about her. I find it hard to believe he wouldn't know that about her. So I do understand and share the notion that he is being insensitive about publicly discussing a professional relationship in such a way. As in...other than the choreographic details.
I don't find him evil at all. I just think he likes to talk. A lot. And sometimes it is at the expense of others.
Maybe you find it odd but I wouldn't be surprised to see these two work together again. Often times a reporter bends the truth and I'm certain that Yulia herself is aware of such games and hasn't thought twice about this article if she even is aware it exists . That's why I was also posting her being around horses pictures.
I'm quite tired of this subject.
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It's the oddest thing I've ever heard you say. In fact, the only odd thing you've said. Now that's odd.
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I don't find that odd. I do think that she'll have a long career and I hope that she'll work with a bunch of different choreographers from now on. And Julia and Averbukh can be great together, so she might be very bright to not shut that door.
And EDIT: Happy Birthday!
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Happy Birthday you gorgeous!
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Happy Birthday Video
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