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Yulia Lipnitskaya

dada16 said:
I just really hope she can have a spot at worlds, the game will be between Liza and her.... Liza seems to have the advantage but I think that she has so wonderful cards to play. and those cards can be very winning. :thumbsup:
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I might be in the minority here - but I prefer she not go to Worlds, while yes I want to watch her skate, I think that it would result in delaying her and Urmanov really getting to work on her technique issues and solidifying her jumps.

It would be interesting if both Liza and Yulia do well at the Russian Cup event - the fed will have a big decision to make:
1) stick with Pogo who skated well at Nationals but has a history of inconsistencies
2) Send Liza who has been inconsistent this season but is the defending World Champion
3) Send Yulia who is a favorite, but has had some genuine technique and consistency issues but also may be turning a corner in those issues.

Any way they go with the 3rd spot I doubt the skater would do poorly enough that it would result in risking losing the 3rd spot for 2017
 
Amei said:
I might be in the minority here - but I prefer she not go to Worlds, while yes I want to watch her skate, I think that it would result in delaying her and Urmanov really getting to work on her technique issues and solidifying her jumps.

It would be interesting if both Liza and Yulia do well at the Russian Cup event - the fed will have a big decision to make:
1) stick with Pogo who skated well at Nationals but has a history of inconsistencies
2) Send Liza who has been inconsistent this season but is the defending World Champion
3) Send Yulia who is a favorite, but has had some genuine technique and consistency issues but also may be turning a corner in those issues.

Any way they go with the 3rd spot I doubt the skater would do poorly enough that it would result in risking losing the 3rd spot for 2017
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With Medvedeva and Radionova going Russia is in no way in jeopardy of losing a spot at Worlds.
 
Amei said:
I might be in the minority here - but I prefer she not go to Worlds, while yes I want to watch her skate, I think that it would result in delaying her and Urmanov really getting to work on her technique issues and solidifying her jumps.

It would be interesting if both Liza and Yulia do well at the Russian Cup event - the fed will have a big decision to make:
1) stick with Pogo who skated well at Nationals but has a history of inconsistencies
2) Send Liza who has been inconsistent this season but is the defending World Champion
3) Send Yulia who is a favorite, but has had some genuine technique and consistency issues but also may be turning a corner in those issues.

Any way they go with the 3rd spot I doubt the skater would do poorly enough that it would result in risking losing the 3rd spot for 2017
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Sending Liza because of anything she did last season would be an awful choice because Yulia was not given that consideration. This season only, Yulia has edged forward ahead of Liza. Depending on the results at the final I would possibly change my mind but as of right in the two competitions in the last two months Yulia has beaten Liza soundly. And technique shouldn't really enter into it. Liza is considered to have good jump technique at least according to those on GS but other than Yuna the ones with the "good" technique miss their jumps just as much if not more than those who don't. All the strong powerful jumpers are considered better but how can they be objectively when they can't control it. Precision and control and flow out should be stronger considerations. I was comparing the results of the last 5 seasons and Yulia has just as high and sometimes much higher success rate than the good jumpers.

Skating is all about mentality and now that Yulia is in a environment that she can thrive it she changed overnight practically. Technique can't account for that change.
 
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ElenaClaire said:
MY GOD how do you even manage to hold yourself in that position without slipping off to the floor.. :laugh:
I sometimes wonder how does it feel to be very flexible and have that kind of strength in you.
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This is a very well-known common exercise in art gymnastics. Sometimes use the benches of varying heights on the right and the left. Or one foot on the floor and the other on the bench. And the coach pushes down on shoulders, pressing the body down.
 
ElenaClaire said:
MY GOD how do you even manage to hold yourself in that position without slipping off to the floor.. :laugh:
I sometimes wonder how does it feel to be very flexible and have that kind of strength in you.

Btw guys, when is the Russian Cup Final?
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the Russian Cup Final is from 16 to 20 of February, and it will take place in Saransk
 
Yeah, I don't think they are actually aiming for Worlds right now anyway. Her goal really should be to skate a good free program, and I do hope she accomplishes that. However, part of me keeps thinking it would be amazing if she somehow pulled off a strong skate and got to Worlds...just as a personal achievement for her, not because she will be challenging for the podium or anything. It would put her in a good place going into next year...knowing that she's still in the mix. Of course, while a decent placement (like top 10) at Worlds may boost her confidence...on the flip side of that, having a disastrous outing and losing to girls she could easily beat when at the top of her game might be too hard a blow to bear. I'd rather see her do what she needs to (that is to have a good FS) at this domestic Russian Cup thing, then come back swinging next season.

I think it's such a crappy situation in Russia right now, and I feel bad for Anna. It must be hard, knowing that you can do well at Nationals, win a bronze at Europeans, and still be in danger of losing your Worlds spot. Yikes! At least when Yulia was trying to make it to Sochi, her biggest threat outside of Adelina was...Alena Leonova :laugh: (no offense, really). You're only as good as your last outing in Russia, which I do feel in some ways is more fair and pure a system. And they definitely don't play any games about that, seeing how Adelina and Yulia were Olympic gold medalists and weren't given any favors (they didn't even let Adelina go to Worlds 2014 for whatever reason). I don't see Liza getting any favors either, seeing how she was scored fairly at nationals. So to comment on what the Russian Federation will do if both Liza and Yulia do well (and Anna if she's doing this competition too), it's probably going to be very simple. If Liza is better at this competition, they'll send her. If Yulia is better, they'll send her regardless of the fact that Liza is the reigning World Champion. If both are meh, they still have Anna...or maybe if they're merciful, they'd send Anna regardless of what happens at the Cup :laugh: although I think that's a bit unlikely now and it makes me kinda sad. Honestly, I think that none of Anna, Liza, or Yulia are sure bets right now in terms of potential to do well at Worlds. Liza has not been that great but I think it's because she got burnt out from last season. Maybe if well rested, she can perform since her jumps and everything are still there. Maybe Anna is a slightly safer choice but only because she has seen some great skates in addition to some really bad ones. Yulia is kind of an unknown because she had some so-so competitions at the beginning...and then we never found out what would have happened with TEB. She didn't get to go to GPF...so we didn't see her until Nationals, where she had an amazing SP (as usual, tbh) and a slightly better FS than she's had in a while. So really, they are pretty even, and I guess it's not all that ludicrous if the Russian Cup is used as a Worlds qualification skate. But wouldn't it be shocking though if somehow that spot went to Maria Sotskova? Hmmmmm :popcorn:
 
bedospol said:
This is a very well-known common exercise in art gymnastics. Sometimes use the benches of varying heights on the right and the left. Or one foot on the floor and the other on the bench. And the coach pushes down on shoulders, pressing the body down.
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Yes I'm aware of that as in it's not my first time seeing the image of the exercise. I just wanted to say it because it'd never fail to impress me.. the human body. The thing us human could do. It's amazing.
But I appreciate the explanation! :agree:
 
Well guys, apparently Yulia is probably in a competition against herself at the Russian Cup Final, since Liza isn't going to compete there either. And since Sotnikova isn't going too, I think she may have a bigger shot at Worlds. However, it all depends on her skate, so I hope she just do her best and we'll see how it goes. :agree:
 
I just wonder what will be better?

1) Send the girl without a stable free program at all (Yulia)
or
2) Send the girl with unstable jumps (Anna)

Both choices are bad. At the moment they are not competitive
 
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puremagic said:
I just wonder what will be better?

1) Send the girl without a stable free program at all (Yulia)
or
2) Send the girl with unstable jumps (Anna)

Both choices are bad. At the moment they are not competitive
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They can send Sotskova.:unsure:
 
alskling said:
They can send Sotskova.:unsure:
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I don't see them doing this right now. If Yulia doesn't have a strong showing at the RCF, I think it's safe to say Anna is going - if Anna does go to the RCF, I think there's a chance of her skating lights out, because she's stronger in Russia. Anyway, I think this is mostly on Yulia's hands, though.

I know we talk about how good it would do to Yulia to actually have more time to train before big competitions, but per Alexei's words I think they just didn't have time to actually go for bigger competitions because they started in the middle of the season. But if they have a chance to send Yulia to Worlds, I doubt he would say no, or at least I can see him being pro competing to see how she handles the pressure instead of already finishing up the season, especially because he said he wants to se what works best for her, and it would be interesting to see if the coaching change will have any impact on international panels.

There's still two weeks left until the competition, though. A lot of things can happen.
 
Yulia is a fierce competitor and her outing at Russian Nationals was very promising. I think she should go to Worlds even if she's not 100% ready if she gets the chance, because I don't think she'll be devastated even if she makes a couple of mistakes. I think she's a tough cookie. She hasn't been at a major competiton for 1 1/2 seasons and I think the atmosphere and the competiton could help her in the long term. And she would be competing with less pressure than she's used to.
 
Isabel_O'Reilly said:
Skating is all about mentality and now that Yulia is in a environment that she can thrive it she changed overnight practically. Technique can't account for that change.
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This is such an important point. Sensitivity should be a significant part of each coach's training, everyone should be aware and know how to act appropriately. No athlete should have to spend two years in a jail of pain over issues of mentality. Urmanov has shown that he knows how to brush away her tears, Yulia trusts in his decisions.
 
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