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Wow! Fantastic!!!
I think she can make that quad after all.
Thanks so much Sam. Is this new?
Yulia Lipnitskaya
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Wow! Fantastic!!!
I think she can make that quad after all.
Thanks so much Sam. Is this new?
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I'm not sure what it's from. It looks like from Sochi warmups. Isn't it amazing how casual she walks up and then explodes into the jump with very little effort and zero momentum to help her?
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Yay my lady!!! Get that quad and stun the world!
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Yay my lady!!! Get that quad and stun the world!
Really! I was not sure about the quad when people were talking about it, but judging by this I think she can make it.
Indeed. I think with time she will get more anyway.
p.s. Sorry Sabrina, I thought you were speaking about the GoE's not the levels.
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She is doing a triple. From a standing position and completely effortless. It comes from nowhere really.
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Where did you hear that *-* ?Anyways, I have heard of Yulia practicing quad for a while, and there's rumor that she landed it in practice. She rotates very fast so I hope she can make it. I wonder if Russian posters can help us with the information about the quad?
Because there already were some rumors about that a few months ago ans they dismissed them. .. are these new ones??
That would be so cool. .. but I only want her to actually do it in competition when she really can land it reliably.. I don't want her to turn into a Mao Asada with her 3A!
But I think, before she'd do something like that in an actual programm
It would take soooome time practicing it.
Given these rumors are true, of course
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Ya, she's working. As far as that quad is conserned I haven't heard anything and at the end of the season her trainer said that they're not going to work on that right now maybe next season if Yulia has the wish(they need special phisical training for this jump and they don't have the time for it, Yulia needed a proper rest).
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Yay my lady!!! Get that quad and stun the world!
Yes, I want her to land it (if she can do it safely) while still landing every other jump well so hopefully her critics will shut up about her jumps (world totally stunned
). I get tired of people on the main forum and Youtube going on about height when, with few exceptions, higher jumps are more out of control jumps. Yulia's are smooth, effortless and she flows right back into the programs. Those with higher jumps generally fall more often on them, they take longer to set them up, they look like the skater is investing huge amounts of effort in them, and the landings always look so awkward as the skater is trying to absorb the greater momentum.
To me this is one of the clearest examples of why I like Yulia's jumps better. When I first started reading these forums I had no clue why people were going on and on about height. When the flow of them is more important to me.
Yulia Lipnitskaya 2A (1:14) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMv4ELANLJM
Adelina Sotnikova 2A (1:10) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eH8qHN72fo
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@Isabel I get what you mean. But of course these two examples are one of Yulia's greatest ones and IMO a not so good one by Adelina. I think her 2A in the Carmen SP from last season is amazing.
I think it just has to suit the skater and the skater's style.
Yulia's jumps-flowing, without a huge set-up..- suit her style very well and look great in her programs.
On the other hand, take a look at Adelina's Carmen program(just think it's a great example) : She isn't about elegance and grace, she's about energy and a powerful show, and if you see someone delivering such a "aggressiv", commanding choreo, you don't wanna see flowing, graceful jumps, you wanna see height and power- so her's suit her and Yulia's suit Yulia.
IMO
Has there been a confirmation about her FS yet?
I think it just has to suit the skater and the skater's style.
Yulia's jumps-flowing, without a huge set-up..- suit her style very well and look great in her programs.
On the other hand, take a look at Adelina's Carmen program(just think it's a great example) : She isn't about elegance and grace, she's about energy and a powerful show, and if you see someone delivering such a "aggressiv", commanding choreo, you don't wanna see flowing, graceful jumps, you wanna see height and power- so her's suit her and Yulia's suit Yulia.
IMO
Has there been a confirmation about her FS yet?
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@Isabel I get what you mean. But of course these two examples are one of Yulia's greatest ones and IMO a not so good one by Adelina. I think her 2A in the Carmen SP from last season is amazing.
I think it just has to suit the skater and the skater's style.
Yulia's jumps-flowing, without a huge set-up..- suit her style very well and look great in her programs.
On the other hand, take a look at Adelina's Carmen program(just think it's a great example) : She isn't about elegance and grace, she's about energy and a powerful show, and if you see someone delivering such a "aggressiv", commanding choreo, you don't wanna see flowing, graceful jumps, you wanna see height and power- so her's suit her and Yulia's suit Yulia.
IMO
Has there been a confirmation about her FS yet?
You're right. I went and watched her Carmen SP and the 2A was a lot smoother. There's just still something about the clear effort to jump up that, I don't know, I guess I guess I'm just being fussy. It definitely does suit her style, though.
I don't know about her FS. In another thread they mentioned the test skates so I looked up when the video appeared on YT. It was posted on the 17 last year but that was just her SP.
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You mean 17 of August or September? :yay:
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17 of August, so I'm hoping we'll see her SP at least in the next couple of weeks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeH7ViTbf9o
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Plushy encouraging Yulia to look tough. I think she is doing just fine but I say thank you anyway Mr Plushy.
https://pp.vk.me/c540109/c540105/v540105213/1295f/p0sQWsPeNlI.jpg
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Awww so cute, both of them. Like a big fluffy cat and a small fluffy kitty.
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Ahh I see
A question: What do you guys think is the reason why Yulia had problems with her Presentation marks earlier last season? Well, not real problems but they were a bit low. .. do judges really unconsciously give lower presentation marks to younger skaters? What do they want to see?
Cause you know, Yulia played two very childlike roles in her programs last season, and played them very well imo, while Radionova tried to appear way older than she is... what do you think works better?
Do you think her programs this season will be very delicate and young again, or will she aim for sth more mature?
I think one could do both with Megapolis
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Re: PCS
Yulia rode a tremendous wave of momentum all last season. She skated more events than about anyone and did so at a very high level giving her not just exposure but positive exposure. She built on each event and made improvements in her execution and performance areas all season long. Even when she fell on her 3f at Sochi her SP was better than it was earlier in the season. During the WC the judges awarded a lot of personal bests for clean skates. Yulia knocked it out of the park there and was rewarded as such with her own PB 74
I've gone into discussions with some very knowledgable posters about scoring in general and the most trained and experienced people think PCS is affected by consistency and reputation. Judges expect to give skaters a score and tend to score partially on expectations of placement and reputation and in relation to the quality of the field. Yulia certainly earned the judges respect by improving her presentation this season from last and then proceeded to continue to improve as the year went on. Look at how strong she was at the World Championship vs Skate Canada. She is a precision skater and every movement has a purpose. It's just my humble opinion but I think she improved every aspect of her delivery by seasons end.
When she went offline during her euros FS and somehow landed that wonky 2a did she panic or show a decrease in effort. Nope. In fact the exact opposite is true. She added a new transition out of the jump and attacked her program at "200 percent" in her own words. Doing so added to the value of her performance and at least to me she committed more to that program than ever before and simply knocked it out of the park. If you want proof watch the Euros FS and focus on the flying camel spin right after she screwed up her 2a. That is one angry and determined butterfly kick into the spin. She intended to make up for the error and skated as if to show the world that she is better than that wonky 2a.
I guess the short answer is it was an olympic year where scores were trending up. I think it's fair to say the Russians benefitted from this. I think it's more important to note that Yulia took advantage of every opportunity afforded to her. That is the real story. She worked as hard and maybe even harder than anyone. Nothing was a free gift for this one
Yulia rode a tremendous wave of momentum all last season. She skated more events than about anyone and did so at a very high level giving her not just exposure but positive exposure. She built on each event and made improvements in her execution and performance areas all season long. Even when she fell on her 3f at Sochi her SP was better than it was earlier in the season. During the WC the judges awarded a lot of personal bests for clean skates. Yulia knocked it out of the park there and was rewarded as such with her own PB 74
I've gone into discussions with some very knowledgable posters about scoring in general and the most trained and experienced people think PCS is affected by consistency and reputation. Judges expect to give skaters a score and tend to score partially on expectations of placement and reputation and in relation to the quality of the field. Yulia certainly earned the judges respect by improving her presentation this season from last and then proceeded to continue to improve as the year went on. Look at how strong she was at the World Championship vs Skate Canada. She is a precision skater and every movement has a purpose. It's just my humble opinion but I think she improved every aspect of her delivery by seasons end.
When she went offline during her euros FS and somehow landed that wonky 2a did she panic or show a decrease in effort. Nope. In fact the exact opposite is true. She added a new transition out of the jump and attacked her program at "200 percent" in her own words. Doing so added to the value of her performance and at least to me she committed more to that program than ever before and simply knocked it out of the park. If you want proof watch the Euros FS and focus on the flying camel spin right after she screwed up her 2a. That is one angry and determined butterfly kick into the spin. She intended to make up for the error and skated as if to show the world that she is better than that wonky 2a.
I guess the short answer is it was an olympic year where scores were trending up. I think it's fair to say the Russians benefitted from this. I think it's more important to note that Yulia took advantage of every opportunity afforded to her. That is the real story. She worked as hard and maybe even harder than anyone. Nothing was a free gift for this one
This year closed skates will 20 of August (SP) and 22 of August (LP). Open skates - 13 of September (SP) and 14 of September (LP).
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PCS, to me, is the ordinal system in disguise. They use PCS to separate the medal contenders to the rest after the short program.
When the short program round is finished, the judges already decide the top 10 and top 5. They even know who could be on the podium.
When you are a new skater, you have to take several seasons to show your consistency and commitment to the program. Thus in the first several seasons of young skaters, they usually get low PCS.
Most of the time, PCS is abused. They can use PCS to keep their favorites on the podium, despite how badly they might skate.
There are some exception, like Yulia, Yuzuru.
In the first and second season at senior, they have show tremendous effort to push the boundaries. Yuzuru with his jumps and Yulia with her spin, flexibility and consistency.
I think the judges see that these youngsters have the ability to be on the top of the podium and deservingly so, thus they reward them with the high PCS.
And last but not least, I agree with Sam, PCS usually goes up in the year of Olympic, there is nothing new about that.
When the short program round is finished, the judges already decide the top 10 and top 5. They even know who could be on the podium.
When you are a new skater, you have to take several seasons to show your consistency and commitment to the program. Thus in the first several seasons of young skaters, they usually get low PCS.
Most of the time, PCS is abused. They can use PCS to keep their favorites on the podium, despite how badly they might skate.
There are some exception, like Yulia, Yuzuru.
In the first and second season at senior, they have show tremendous effort to push the boundaries. Yuzuru with his jumps and Yulia with her spin, flexibility and consistency.
I think the judges see that these youngsters have the ability to be on the top of the podium and deservingly so, thus they reward them with the high PCS.
And last but not least, I agree with Sam, PCS usually goes up in the year of Olympic, there is nothing new about that.
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