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What could she mean by "her mother is rumored to be controlling"..? Like having a controlling character, or maybe like she's controlling the process that's happening. .?[/QUOTE]

Nobody knows what's in the head of the woman. Let's say she's not Yulia's favorite journalist. Eteri herself said that she asked Yulia's mom to join their team so I don't see a problem here.;)
 
starlight97 said:
Thanks for the link Alba!
What could she mean by "her mother is rumored to be controlling"..? Like having a controlling character, or maybe like she's controlling the process that's happening. .?
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Her mother is her most important anchor. There have been several quotes where her mother says Yulia may not listen to me and Eteri. Her mother does whatever is required to not interfere while supporting her daughter, and from every report I've read always has--including the mutally agreed-upon move to Moscow and all it entailed. Yulia credits her mother again and again. Don't give credence to people who psychoanalyze at a distance, it's disrespectful hence controlling.
 
Judging from recent posts, many contributors place great value on aesthetic qualities. You warm my heart. Do you also think that structuring performances around prescribed elements discourages aesthetic skating and skaters? In other words, is emphasis on a rigid set of required elements actually a selection process, a filter that favors skaters with relatively shallow self-expression and discourages the rest?
 
sjid said:
Judging from recent posts, many contributors place great value on aesthetic qualities. You warm my heart. Do you also think that structuring performances around prescribed elements discourages aesthetic skating and skaters? In other words, is emphasis on a rigid set of required elements actually a selection process, a filter that favors skaters with relatively shallow self-expression and discourages the rest?
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It's not an either/or thing. Some skaters aren't expressive but can hit all the elements. However, they would likely receive fewer +2 / +3 or higher GOE simply because they may be able to go through the motions but be robotic about it. And that's why skaters take acting classes ... to help reach those higher levels and mature as performers.
 
Google translate:
"In terms of single skating at Lipnitskaya I'm interested to see the development. Theme development, personal development, the development of plastics. In some of last year's reports I wrote that Julia got so good at their Olympic programs in both images - is an enormous plus, but also a danger, too. Because you can not exploit the theme indefinitely - even very successful. In the meantime, all the information I have about the staging process reduces to the phrase "to be as good as it was."(1) And yet I can not help feeling that in the triangle "Julia - Mom - Coach" Eter Tutberidze assigned strictly dosed role - a man whose every action against Julia is under close control. And this is from my point of view totally wrong. Eter - absolutely brilliant specialist, which I myself, for example, has entrusted to her own child without any hesitation. Can not and should not be a brilliant specialist work "on a short leash.""
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As little as I know Russian, in my opinion she writes (1) in definitely negative way, "keep it as good as it was" - in sense that all Yulia's team is doing comes down to just keeping status quo from last season - like they're stagnating, not developing, having no long strategy.

If you read FSU thread further, it looks like there may be some personal issues between Ms. Vatsekhovskaya and Yulia's team... :sarcasm:
 
Ah thanks papa that explains it.
You know I can't judge or sense if what she says is true, but the one thing I tend to believe is the part about her mom.
Eterie said that she's very strict and protective of Yulia. Adelina said that it's hard to socialize with Yulia, since her mom is with her constantly. Her mother said that "You can make a bear dance on ice if you make it train hard enough"
Now I'm only assuming, but her mom indeed is very strict judging from what she says and so on (you know she told Yulia "We go to Moscow and if you're not successful there we will quit skating" not in a threatening way of course but as a matter of fact) and we know how skating moms can be right?
It reminds me a bit of Yuna's mom.
I could imagine that Yulia's mom wants to have a big say when it comes to her skating and could really make it difficult for Eterie.

But that's just assumptions, I don't think we'll ever know ;)
 
sjid said:
Her mother is her most important anchor. There have been several quotes where her mother says Yulia may not listen to me and Eteri. Her mother does whatever is required to not interfere while supporting her daughter, and from every report I've read always has--including the mutally agreed-upon move to Moscow and all it entailed. Yulia credits her mother again and again. Don't give credence to people who psychoanalyze at a distance, it's disrespectful hence controlling.
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And what's defined as "controlling" let's not forget that Yulia just turned 16 and started skating as a senior at a young age so her mom my insert herself more than some of the older girls.and her mom might want to have knowledge and a say in the theme of her costumes... I mean we can all probably agree that some of the other Russian ladies wear some inappropriate costumes.
 
papa said:
Of course we know nothing, but listening to Eteri's words in regard to Yulia's mom from this reportage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_YAwkcrMRA
I sense not a single bit of aversion there...

She's mentioned her several times and all I see/hear is understanding, sympathy, maybe even liking. :rolleye:
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Thanks for the video, papa. That is the source of what I know about their Moscow plan. At about 8:40 Yulia says: "I remember very well ... mom said: 'Yulia, everything is in your hands. Either end skating and start high school here or continue skating and we go to Moscow - if you are not successful there then we'll end skating and you go to high school there.'" Really controlling. Not even a psychologist could have offered support and confidence more delicately, no mother more selflessly. This woman deserves Yulia. The grandmother's influence is also profound and positive. Yulia is really fortunate to have three brilliant, caring women to help shape her life. Good point about her age, Amei.
Another paycheck-first reporter--analyzing relationships of total strangers is ultimate hubris.
 
We will never know what any of these relationships is really like in the end. Maybe she's saying the truth maybe not and so on....
But honestly? I don't really "care" because it seems to work well for Yulia's skating and also her character development. It's easy to lose one's head in all this craziness, but hasn't done so, so her mum/ Eterie must be doing sth very right.
 
starlight97 said:
Thanks for the link Alba!
What could she mean by "her mother is rumored to be controlling"..? Like having a controlling character, or maybe like she's controlling the process that's happening. .?
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I don't know. Yulia's mom was asked by Eteri to be part of the team, and it worked/s so far.
The thing is that Vaitsekhovskaya is an important and serious journalist, as far as I know, so that comment doesn't sound good to me. Meaning that she might've listen someone complaining?
Personally, I do not like when parents tend to overdo things, like thinking they might know better than a coach?
However, in Yulia's case we should take into consideration also the fact that she is very popular now, and one of the strongest competitors and the jealousy has started. Especially when we consider a field of women in Russia with so many talented and strong skaters.
So, I wouldn't be surprised that someone might be gossiping or spreading rumors, about things that are non-existent in reality, just to tarnish a bit her reputation, or create problems.
 
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Meoima said:
Will use this gif on FSU, send to those anti who say she never smiles. Muahahahha
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I have a feeling some of the people making such claims may in fact struggle to smile themselves. I noticed the people that complained the most about the crowd in Sochi were often some of the least respectful posters in terms of towards fellow posters and about the sport in general. Oh well. I'm learning to ignore them. All they want to do is bring people down to their level of unhappiness.
 
Something that Nina Mozer said in her recent interview, translated and published on FSU, made me think of Yulia.
http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/ind...-mozer-i-have-less-friends-after-sochi.93043/

EV: Have the Olympics changed your life?
NM: I certainly have less friends now. Success is not something that increases the number of friends.
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;)

They are not questioning what do they have to change to be happy. They are happy with the other's misfortunes because in comparison their own failures don't look so bad.
Guess in that my life is easier. I can listen to any critique, but I don't have a problem telling a person they are just not important enough in my life to care about his point of view or emotions.
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:yes:
 
I can listen to any critique, but I don't have a problem telling a person they are just not important enough in my life to care about his point of view or emotions.
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so true :rofl:
 
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