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On the other hand, I think staying in Canada enables him to train in relative peace and avoid the ever growing media hype.
Exactly.
On the other hand, I think staying in Canada enables him to train in relative peace and avoid the ever growing media hype.
It was my pleasure, giulia! I wish I had done a better translating job, but fortunately others were there to fill the gaps.
I hate his Canadian team for forcing him to mature so rapidly. Orser himself said that has to come naturally, but I think they're rushing him. They want him to become "one of the men", without thinking about what it is that makes him so special -- his youth and his passion. I think that by choosing a different gala program for NHK and Nationals (both of which were held in Japan) and a different encore in Nationals (he performed Romeo and Juliet, instead of his SP), he was sending a message, perhaps unintentionally. I think he knows that they're trying to change him into something he's not.
It's hard to tell what was Orser's team planning for him during this period. Do you have reports on it
No, it's quite normal for skaters in Japan to have this show schedule. All top skaters, including Kanako who is the same age as Yuzu, skated the same shows plus they went to Tokyo to have SOI shows there as well. In PIW lead skaters skate 8-10 shows for 4-5 days, i.e. 2 shows a day. It's normal here. Just their coaches know how to adjust their bodies to this routine and that is all.Hearing about the show schedule in the first half of January I thought it must be brutal.
It was never annouced to my knowledge. Yuzu originally wasn't scheduled in any Jan shows. Later, when he didn't come back to Canada after NHK, he was added to the cast.Do you have reports on it?
Are you sure? I think he went to Canada after SOI shows in early Jan and now is training there. Elene twittered pics of gifts that he brought for her. If your information is correct and he didn't go to Canada, it means he is coachless from NHK for like 9-10 weeks? It's beyond any reasonable ground (and Orser's paycheck).However, since the 4CC will be held in Osaka, I can understand why he wants to stay in Japan for the meantime.
Hmmm. Hearing about the show schedule in the first half of January I thought it must be brutal. It's not "just" skating the shows, I bet there were lots of other obligations and activities including travel that stressed him out. Plus he was coming off a series of elite competitions week after week and badly needed a break. It's hard to tell what was Orser's team planning for him during this period. Do you have reports on it?
This is exactly the approch that Orser's team is applying for Yuzu: push him at max, then he can barely breath on the 3rd show and fell on all jump elements on the 4th. It's really something unhealthy that some people find this brutal policy enjoyable. Lol at the sexist comment of no comparison with ladies. None of the girls went lazy butt, they all tried hard elements for ladies like lutz/flip/combos, including 3-jump combo for Kanako. They and their teams just know where the reasonable line goes, that's why they could perform not in Osaka and Nagoya only but also in Tokyo shows.I wouldn't compare him with the ladies, cuz we all know those men are doing so much hard elements including quads during shows nowadays, and Yuzu is one of those that did the most. Yuzu landed 4T and 4S
This is exactly the approch that Orser's team is applying for Yuzu: push him at max, then he can barely breath on the 3rd show and fell on all jump elements on the 4th. It's really something unhealthy that some people find this brutal policy enjoyable.
I don't think she dislike yuzu,But ever since he moved to Canada,she began to bash on hanyu,his performance,his team,his two program choregraphy by two canadians.And his winning at Japan Nationals made the situation worse.Apparently you are a Dai fan? and you sound like you don't want to say anything positive about Orser, Javi and Yuzuru.
Precisely the two events for which he trained at home in Sendai, not in Canada. Orser's coaching was like sending him e-mails on iphone or somesuch.GPF ... Japan Nationals
And how much he is going to limit them I wonder. Yuzu didn't skate that much in shows last off season. He was in DOI where he presented that stripper EX and fell three times, including on steps. He wasn't in PIW over the Golden week while all Team Japan was there. He was in PIW in July but took part only in half of shows (2 days of 4). He was in FaOI in Fukui where he presented his new Miyamoto's EX. But two weeks later he canceled the shows in Nagaoka, officially due to minor injury. The only show where he was in full was Mao's THE ICE. And the reason why he couldn't decline it is what? IMG? To be fair, it sounds like if Orser indeed said what you claim he said, then the reason why he wants to limit the number of shows for Yuzu is because he doesn't know how to manage his stamina for a long show run (and/or probably doesn't know how to make the right EX ). There is nothing good for a skater's PR image to cancel shows. There is also nothing good not to skate in them in the first place. It's not just cash but also the popularity and contact with the audience that is a mandatory thing if the skater wants to be a true star, not a "made" one. And yes, you are right, I have nothing positive to say about Orser's work with Yuzu. But I have a news for you- it's not Orser uber thread. You can open the one if you wish. Critisizing coach is a fine thing to do in all sports, especially if he claims the things like that:I heard that Orser will limit the number of shows Yuzuru performs in in the next season even if he is disliked. ( I think he means "disliked by show organizers") because it seems hard for Yuzuru to decline them.
Orser's plan for Yuzu is not to let out all his passions and emotions but to learn to control them in programs. Orser said in advance Yuzu's fans might find them a little boring.
Precisely the two events for which he trained at home in Sendai, not in Canada. Orser's coaching was like sending him e-mails on iphone or somesuch.
And how much he is going to limit them I wonder. Yuzu didn't skate that much in shows last off season. He was in DOI where he presented that stripper EX and fell three times, including on steps. He wasn't in PIW over the Golden week while all Team Japan was there. He was in PIW in July but took part only in half of shows (2 days of 4). He was in FaOI in Fukui where he presented his new Miyamoto's EX. But two weeks later he canceled the shows in Nagaoka, officially due to minor injury. The only show where he was in full was Mao's THE ICE. And the reason why he couldn't decline it is what? IMG? To be fair, it sounds like if Orser indeed said what you claim he said, then the reason why he wants to limit the number of shows for Yuzu is because he doesn't know how to manage his stamina for a long show run (and/or probably doesn't know how to make the right EX ). There is nothing good for a skater's PR image to cancel shows. There is also nothing good not to skate in them in the first place. It's not just cash but also the popularity and contact with the audience that is a mandatory thing if the skater wants to be a true star, not a "made" one. And yes, you are right, I have nothing positive to say about Orser's work with Yuzu. But I have a news for you- it's not Orser uber thread. You can open the one if you wish. Critisizing coach is a fine thing to do in all sports, especially if he claims the things like that:
FTnoona said:I really dislike Notre Dame de Paris for music choice. IMO it didn't work for Weir, and it doesn't work for Hanyu. I hope that Hanyu is going to get a good FS for next year. Maybe Wilson is not the choreographer for him. I might be the minority here, but I think Buttle did a good job with Hanyu's SP. It still allows for his youth to shine while at the same time introducing him to a different genre of music to interpret and IMO Hanyu genuinely looks like he enjoys performing it.
yude said:I am one of them
Who said anything about anyone being lazy butt? Gosh someone just loves over interpreting and twisting things around. All skater give their heart to the performance, the hightlight for ladies in show is more about the beautiful lines/spins/spiral, not so many lady would try 3A and 3Lz3t in show which I would call the top jumping passes, but for man especially for those who not just try quads in EX number but also with competition program where the transitions going into jumps are much more difficult, and the quad battle they initiate is just wow. They just show different aspect of show skating and I love both, to turn that into some sex issue just says more about you.Lol at the sexist comment of no comparison with ladies. None of the girls went lazy butt, they all tried hard elements for ladies like lutz/flip/combos, including 3-jump combo for Kanako.
Oh yes, Yuzu had to performe in SOI Tokyo, cuz god forbid the kid goes back to Canada and train.They and their teams just know where the reasonable line goes, that's why they could perform not in Osaka and Nagoya only but also in Tokyo shows.
Oh dear, you are just so desperatly to deny anything Yuzu did related to Canada. No one would gain stamina with in one/two weeks, it's a long way effort building-up the strength, training by themself or not.Precisely the two events for which he trained at home in Sendai, not in Canada. Orser's coaching was like sending him e-mails on iphone or somesuch.
:agree: Ice is slippery, all skater make mistake at practice/show/competition, as I said they are not programed to land those jumps, they just had a bad day and that's all. But hey, someone gotta do what they gatta do, so get used to all the finger pointing and coming up with some crapy conspiracy to explain everything happens on ice, making mistakes or not.No one can change the fact that Yuzuru is training with Orser in Canada. I am just a fan who loves Yuzuru's skating and himself. I respect and cheer him through thick and thin.
Where does this assumption come from I wonder. All top ladies challenged exactly the top elements for Ladies field. Mao and Akiko skated their SP as well in more than one Jan shows, Mao tried 3A more than once. So your sexist claim that ladies feel less tired in shows than boys just because they don't do quads and simply spin all around is insulting and has no merit.the hightlight for ladies in show is more about the beautiful lines/spins/spiral, not so many lady would try 3A and 3Lz3t in show which I would call the top jumping passes
No, dear. This personal attack says more about you than me no doubts.just says more about you.
They have time way more than two weeks. In case you are not aware of.No one would gain stamina with in one/two weeks, it's a long way effort building-up the strength, training by themself or not.
I posted this in a minor thread, so sorry for double posting. But anyway -- I uploaded subs for the NHK documentary on Yuzuru Hanyu. Two other Youtube users have kindly filled in the gaps and corrected the mistakes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5djBbHdVY9g
Any more comments/corrections are welcome! I am currently working on translating a shorter interview, and I hope you wouldn't mind if I post the Youtube links here, as well.
Mao and Akiko also made mistakes in their ice show in early Jan, Mao made mistakes at all her jumping passes at Nagoya and Akiko did so in Osaka SOI, but I admire Mao for trying 3As (making mistakes or not) and both ladies for skating their competition programs, but no one blamed on anybody because those fail of jumps in shows.Mao and Akiko skated their SP as well in more than one Jan shows, Mao tried 3A more than once.
I see you have problem understanding people's opinion and just interpret in your own rediculous way. I was talking about 3A and 3Lz3t, ladies who challenges these two jumping passes in show has more risk making mistake than other jumps. Who said anything about lady needing to do quads to compare with men? It was you that misinterpret people's words and come up with this whole idea all by yourself and brought up the sex issue then started insulting people around my dear.So your sexist claim that ladies feel less tired in shows than boys just because they don't do quads and simply spin all around is insulting and has no merit. No, dear. This personal attack says more about you than me no doubts.
I'm sorry it was 2 weeks from NHK to GPF where He didn't out of breath and fell on ice which in between time trains in Shendai, just being percise in case you don't understand.They have time way more than two weeks. In case you are not aware of.