Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season

[matmuh]

where is the other male comentator from British Eurosport ( i guess it was Mark?) ? He is the biggest fanboy of Yuzu I guess.

i think you mean simon and chris, they are real fans of him, mark was only at COC, i guess they will be back for GPF, not that we can watch it live the BESP tho

 

[nsaboten]

where is the other male comentator from British Eurosport ( i guess it was Mark?) ? He is the biggest fanboy of Yuzu I guess.

Yeah, he is absolute a fan of Yuzu.
He really believed that Yuzu could do it.

Thanks panda_wei for uploading the clip

 

[sonora]

Is Yuzu training on JSF’s money, so JSF determines his schedules for shows and appearance for any JSF related events? Can he say no?

I recall rumors say that after Sochi, JSF constantly interrupted Yuzu’s training in Canada and made him fly back to attend those events, and Brian’s protest was in vain.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sp...ng-says-coach/

"You need to have the training behind you," said Orser. "We missed 10 days because of the accident in Shanghai -- but even prior to that, other issues kept him off the ice. It's funny, in an Olympic season some the small ailments don't hold you back but this year they did."

From what Brain said above, part of the rumors was true? Before the beginning of this season I already sensed too many shows or media exposures for Yuzu, although I did not compare with the skaters from other countries. I vaguely recalled in one interview back in 2013 (?) Brian mentioned Yuzu (among Japanese skates) needed to skate for shows regularly, while Yuna did not.

In summer, when Yuzu revealed his SP, he said “no time for training…” almost sadly.

Now everything adds up.

A couple of days ago, I felt psychological challenge was the biggest thing to battle, while training was something he can catch up quickly after he recovers from the injuries. Now seems I was too naïve. I hope Yuzu stays in Japan until GPF is because of the travel issue (as someone already has analyzed), and JSF will not interfere with his training schedules any further.

 

[Bonesfan]

Yuzuru popped the 3A-1Lo-3S to avoid Zayaking?

Can someone help out here?

2S
3T
3F
3Lz+2T
3A+3T (3T now done in combination with 3A)
1A+1Lo+3S (3A can't be done again in combination?)
3Lo
3Lz

The 3A in the combination looked popped on purpose (Kurt Browning commented on it). 2A would have been better in terms of points, but maybe he was worried about accidentally rotating 3 times, which would have invalidated the combo.

Obviously he was thinking quickly and adapting while skating! Impressive!

 

[Heart_009]

@Bonesfan i don't think that counts as zayaking (for example his 2012-2013 free had 2 combinations with 3a's). I think you can do both in combination just not both in single jumps. I think kurt browning might be talking about how he managed to get the rest of the combination after popping his 3a.

 

[matmuh]

Yuzuru popped the 3A-1Lo-3S to avoid Zayaking?

Can someone help out here?

2S
3T
3F
3Lz+2T
3A+3T (3T now done in combination with 3A)
1A+1Lo+3S (3A can't be done again in combination?)
3Lo
3Lz

The 3A in the combination looked popped on purpose (Kurt Browning commented on it). 2A would have been better in terms of points, but maybe he was worried about accidentally rotating 3 times, which would have invalidated the combo.

Obviously he was thinking quickly and adapting while skating! Impressive!

maybe he wanted to avoid zayaking but he hadnt done 2nd 3Lz yet, he might have doubled that one too, not sure but would get more BV if he did that, but he was skating and its not easy to think things in detail, we sometimes think its easy but in reality its not, still impressive as you said that he adapted quickly

 

[matmuh]

@Bonesfan i don't think that counts as zayaking (for example his 2012-2013 free had 2 combinations with 3a's). I think you can do both in combination just not both in single jumps. I think kurt browning might be talking about how he managed to get the rest of the combination after popping his 3a.

it would be zayaking cause he tripled his quad to, so 2 3T, 2 3A, 2 3Lz, cant do 3 type of triple and quad twice in FP

 

[giulia95]

Hana wa Saku With English subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuMlBNCTTFA

Yuzu's HD version , I apologize if it has already been posted .Thanks to the uploader!
It seems Yuzu is challanging Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation at 4:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chseiFJ9O_s

 

[sonora]

Thanks nsaboten. I remember it used to be two male comentators, and wonder where was the other. I really enjoy the two working together on Yuzu's performance.

Yeah, he is absolute a fan of Yuzu.
He really believed that Yuzu could do it.

Thanks panda_wei for uploading the clip

 

[Bonesfan]

it would be zayaking cause he tripled his quad to, so 2 3T, 2 3A, 2 3Lz, cant do 3 type of triple and quad twice in FP

Thank you so much! That makes sense now. I saw a posting about how if Yuzuru had changed the 3A+3T (I guess to 2T) then he could have still done the 3A-1Lo-3S.

So he could have done

2S
3T
3F
3Lz+2T
3A+2T
3A+1Lo+3S
3Lo
3Lz

Then his BV would have been much higher. Still very impressed that he adapted right before doing 3A+1Lo+3S.

I'm very sorry to hear about Yuzuru's mental/physical state. While it is nice for him to celebrate this "coming of age" birthday with his family, I think he would benefit from Brian's reassurance and experience as a 2-time Olympian in preparing for GPF. Brian was the reigning World Champion and under massive pressure in 1988 Olympics held in Canada. He even carried in the Canadian flag.

Re: Japanese Nationals. I believe that their guidelines state that reigning World or Olympic champions are not required to qualify via Nationals. Other sports do this - in 2012 Uchimura was named to the National gymnastics team almost one year before 2013 Worlds.

 

[Wo|flax]

Yes the spreadeagles were amaze I hope he can do it like that in the chopin SP, the inside one after the one immediately after the 3a. He did a good one in the nhk LP too.

 

[matmuh]

Thank you so much! That makes sense now. I saw a posting about how if Yuzuru had changed the 3A+3T (I guess to 2T) then he could have still done the 3A-1Lo-3S.

So he could have done

2S
3T
3F
3Lz+2T
3A+2T
3A+1Lo+3S
3Lo
3Lz

Then his BV would have been much higher. Still very impressed that he adapted right before doing 3A+1Lo+3S.

yes 2t would be best option, but we dont know when he noticed he was going to zayak, or if he was going to zayak, keeping that in mind among other things during your program must be difficult, makes you appreciate him more

 

[mysticice]

I digress, what I'm trying to say is that because Yuzuru wants to go on to compete for a second gold medal at the Olympics, he wants to put himself in front of the judges as much as possible, even at the so-called small events like CoC to him has a big impact on the layout of things in 4 years. Yuzuru's known for following "paths" that were laid out by other skaters in order to set himself up to be successful so I can see him sort of analyzing what happened with Yuna and what happened with Patrick going into Sochi (reigning World Champ for 3 years in a row but didn't boost his technical content in time for the Olympics). Accordingly, this explains why Yuzuru is so desperate to boost his technical content early on and why he insists on competing when he's not 100%

I actually agree. He has momentum now and he would most likely lose it if he took a break. He needs to make sure that people/judges don't forget that he is a contender. And I don't think judges would do it deliberately, but there are always new skaters to get excited about.

 

[smasma]

I can't follow the thread fully. Has anyone posted Brian's interview?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bgix4_1201-〇ヤネ_sport

Around 08:05 -

I've found this article which says that poor Yuzu will not like to see Brian's training plans. The same training plan Brian shows to the media in the clip you've posted. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

 

[Maria Victoria]

Hmm I also remember him saying that at one point, he just wanted to give up.

I was discussing this with my bf the other day as to why Yuzuru is competing so hard in this GP even though he could really just make a comeback at nationals/worlds. And please feel free to discuss this because what my bf was interesting based on the knowledge I've fed him about the way figure skating works, technically and politically.

Yuzuru wants to avoid the Yuna and Patrick effect. Hear me out. Yuna had one goal in mind when she moved to Canada, 4 years prior to Vancouver and it was to get that Olympic gold. Afterwards, even with all of the programs she's put out, you can see that she's lost that spark/fire/whatever it was that kept her skating. She was skating, at that point, out of obligation and for winning Korea's spots in competition. She disappeared off the radar and off the judges' radar with her few appearances. Yes, she won Worlds 2013 but a lot of people thought she was under-marked during her short program and we all know that starting order does, to an extent, matter.

I digress, what I'm trying to say is that because Yuzuru wants to go on to compete for a second gold medal at the Olympics, he wants to put himself in front of the judges as much as possible, even at the so-called small events like CoC to him has a big impact on the layout of things in 4 years. Yuzuru's known for following "paths" that were laid out by other skaters in order to set himself up to be successful so I can see him sort of analyzing what happened with Yuna and what happened with Patrick going into Sochi (reigning World Champ for 3 years in a row but didn't boost his technical content in time for the Olympics). Accordingly, this explains why Yuzuru is so desperate to boost his technical content early on and why he insists on competing when he's not 100%

It's all a crazy theory that I was discussing over Thanksgiving and who knows what Yuzuru is thinking, but seeing the desperation in his eyes makes me feel like there's something bigger to him than the immediate media attention/pressure.

First, I think it's great that you and your boyfriend discuss FS together. Second, I don't think your theory is at all crazy and is even consistent with what Yuzuru has said in the past, e.g., the need to up his technical content and mentioning that a junior like he was four years ago may burst on the scene and become a contender in this Olympic cycle. He may be thinking of Yuna and the need to be "out there," but I feel he just wants to compete and make the most of his competitive years since he has already decided to retire at the relatively young age of 23. Since the earthquake and now after the collision, he knows in life there are no guarantees and everything, including skating, may be taken from him in an instant.

I've found this article which says that poor Yuzu will not like to see Brian's training plans. The same training plan Brian shows to the media in the clip you've posted. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

Doubts to the contrary, I think Brian's expressed confidence that Yuzuru will follow the training plan is well-placed.

This excerpt from a post by zydeco88 much earlier in this thread (Post #2083) gives one a fair idea of Yuzuru's attitude towards training/practice:

I.B.:...I remember that from the very beginning we built a great relationships with him. It's incredible how he trains and follows all the demand of the choreographer! And sometimes the demands were to try something new, while we were not sure if that new will be included in the program. He implicitly tried everything what we said, and at each practice he worked hard, "till to sweat", literally to the point of exhaustion, feeling almost unconscious. When the Japanese television came to shoot his practice with us in Moscow, I thought this would be his last day in life, so hard he tried his best ( laughs).

N.B.: There is an idea that sits in our minds: the Japanese are different in terms of working hard. A year ago, before the World Championship where Hanyu won a bronze medal, the television visited us. After the interview with Hanyu they came to us, and I couldn't figure out what was wrong: they were just staring at us. Then the interpreter explained: "He said in the interview that he goes on every practice with the feeling of wild fear. He is afraid that he won't survive until the end of the practice." That's how he was given himself to work because he believed truly in what we were giving him. He's a very talented guy, and at every practice he worked really hard, as if it was his last time. Not so many athletes can train this way.

Attributed source

I.B. and N.B. are Igor Bobrin and Nadia Bestomonieva. They were talking about the time Yuzuru went to train R&J1 with them in Russia.

 

[smasma]

Doubts to the contrary, I think Brian's expressed confidence that Yuzuru will follow the training plan is well-placed.

This excerpt from a post by zydeco88 much earlier in this thread (Post #2083) gives one a fair idea of Yuzuru's attitude towards training/practice:

I.B.:...I remember that from the very beginning we built a great relationships with him. It's incredible how he trains and follows all the demand of the choreographer! And sometimes the demands were to try something new, while we were not sure if that new will be included in the program. He implicitly tried everything what we said, and at each practice he worked hard, "till to sweat", literally to the point of exhaustion, feeling almost unconscious. When the Japanese television came to shoot his practice with us in Moscow, I thought this would be his last day in life, so hard he tried his best ( laughs).

N.B.: There is an idea that sits in our minds: the Japanese are different in terms of working hard. A year ago, before the World Championship where Hanyu won a bronze medal, the television visited us. After the interview with Hanyu they came to us, and I couldn't figure out what was wrong: they were just staring at us. Then the interpreter explained: "He said in the interview that he goes on every practice with the feeling of wild fear. He is afraid that he won't survive until the end of the practice." That's how he was given himself to work because he believed truly in what we were giving him. He's a very talented guy, and at every practice he worked really hard, as if it was his last time. Not so many athletes can train this way.

Attributed source

I.B. and N.B. are Igor Bobrin and Nadia Bestomonieva. They were talking about the time Yuzuru went to train R&J1 with them in Russia.

I remember reading that post before and it hurts my heart when he believed he might not survive his practice. But regarding the article that I've posted, they say it was Brian who said that Yuzu won't like his training plan, but he will do it diligently.

 

[firal]

I've read in various places that he did indeed singled that 3A on purpose since he wants to do that 3lz at the end. I think it was the Japanese commentators who said it right away, that he usually has no problem with that jump combination.

On one hand I am over the moon that he will be able to stay with his family for the all-important 20th birthday, on the other hand Japan's media-frenzy environment will certainly not help his mind set.

 

[annca]

A bit random but yuzuru's picture from nhk gala was featured on BBC's Day in pictures for 1 December 2014
http://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-30274029

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/79420000/jpg/_79420459_7fcf0e93-0285-4581-b59e-cafc93312de8.jpg

I.B. and N.B. are Igor Bobrin and Nadia Bestomonieva. They were talking about the time Yuzuru went to train R&J1 with them in Russia.

my dream is for yuzuru to work with bestemianova and bobrin again with abe choosing his music programs. That would be beautiful :dance:

 

[Meoima]

I've read in various places that he did indeed singled that 3A on purpose since he wants to do that 3lz at the end. I think it was the Japanese commentators who said it right away, that he usually has no problem with that jump combination.

I wonder why didn't he single the final lutz? Or maybe because it's a final jump he didn't want to screw it up, it might look not very nice when you popped your final jump?

 

[Bonesfan]

I wonder why didn't he single the final lutz? Or maybe because it's a final jump he didn't want to screw it up, it might look not very nice when you popped your final jump?

A double Lutz would have worked, but agree he probably didn't want to water down the final jump.

Still amazed that he could think that quickly while performing. It was impressive watching him re-configure his jump layout at CoC during the 6 min warmup. But to do that during a competition skate...