Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season

[sonora]

Do we know for sure Yuzu is in Toronto? Did Nam or Javi say anything on social media?

 

[HanDomi]

Obviously he skated first in the SP so his score was lower than it should be IMO.

I think they scored others after him the way it should be so the final scores were fair. Voronov had bad luck skating right after him

 

[Hanmgse]

I guess Yuzuru is meditating somewhere in very, far, far away mountains in biellman position :
http://www.yogirose.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/mountain_top_yoga.jpg

That would be great hahaha. Well I guess now we can feel less nervous now that he is in the entry list. I really wish he is in Toronto though.

 

[cruzceleste]

Do we know for sure Yuzu is in Toronto? Did Nam or Javi say anything on social media?

I hope they won´t do it. The less we know the best. Is mean he is focusing in his health and /or his trainning.

 

[Poice]

Obviously he skated first in the SP so his score was lower than it should be IMO.

I was talking about FS

 

[Fer]

Let's bet where is his flight coming from all the way to Shanghai! arty:Canada or Japan.
50 cents on Canada.

What I am thinking is that JSF and the Japan media know the situation about Yuzuru and decided not to tell the whole world. Maybe they are protecting him from too much pressure since he just recovered from the surgery and sprained ankle. But this is just my guessing.


About the world record, I think judges will only give the new world record to some perfect or close to perfect performance like Yuzuru's Parisian Walkway and Patrick's long program in TEB. With a fall they will not give you the record unless you have some very much higher TES and they can do nothing to keep it.

 

[cheerknithanson]

Let's bet where is his flight coming from all the way to Shanghai! arty:Canada or Japan.
50 cents on Canada.

What I am thinking is that JSF and the Japan media know the situation about Yuzuru and decided not to tell the whole world. Maybe they are protecting him from too much pressure since he just recovered from the surgery and sprained ankle. But this is just my guessing.


About the world record, I think judges will only give the new world record to some perfect or close to perfect performance like Yuzuru's Parisian Walkway and Patrick's long program in TEB. With a fall they will not give you the record unless you have some very much higher TES and they can do nothing to keep it.

I'm hoping and praying that he will not only break the world record, but also break the magical 300 points.

 

[skatefan22]

Do we know for sure Yuzu is in Toronto? Did Nam or Javi say anything on social media?

Last time we heard about Yuzu, he was still in Japan. I assume no news means no change of situation?

 

[msteach3]

Let's bet where is his flight coming from all the way to Shanghai! arty:Canada or Japan.
50 cents on Canada.
What I am thinking is that JSF and the Japan media know the situation about Yuzuru and decided not to tell the whole world. Maybe they are protecting him from too much pressure since he just recovered from the surgery and sprained ankle. But this is just my guessing.

I think that's a pretty safe bet. What I'm hoping is that Yuzu was able to sneak out of Japan unseen and has been in Toronto for the past few weeks training with Orser and Shae Lynn. I want to see POTO up to it's full potential before the season is over!

 

[gsyzf]

+5 and +5,5

although both deserve +3 in current system

I think this problem occurs because judges are too generous in giving out +GOEs (to reputable skaters). The judges check the GOE bullets too easily. Then an ok jump checks 5 bullets, whereas a better jump may only check 3 bullets (even though each of the three qualities is much better than the qualities of the ok jump). If the judges are equally harsh to all skaters, perhaps the ok jump will only check 1 or 2 bullets, and the better jump still checks 3 bullets, so the better jump will score higher GOEs. I think that if a higher quality jump ends up with a lower GOEs than a lower quality jump, something is not right, most likely the judges are influenced by the skater’s reputation.

Just doing an estimate (the numbers used are probably overestimated). If you inflate the GOEs by a little bit on each element, you will end up with a 2-3 pt GOE gap in the SP. Together, with a little bit of inflated PCS, you will end up with 3-4pts reputation gap over the other skaters. In the FS, the reputation gap is probably double the size, so overall, the reputable skater has probably about 10pts reputation advantage over the rest of the field. This gives the reputable skater about 3 fall cushions. So if the skater makes multiple major mistakes and still wins, the win will be controversial. The judges should really try not to be influenced by a skater’s reputation. (I understand it’s inevitable because judges are also human, but they should try to minimize it.)

I actually think Yuzuru is the only skater that deserves to have a 3pt GOE gap in over his closest rival in the short program (when both he and his rivals skate well). Because he adds difficulty to each element and executes these elements with the highest quality. IMHO, I don’t think any other skater has this kind of technical skill to pull off this kind of lead. So if someone else gets comparable GOEs as him, or even higher GOEs than him when he skates well, I tend to think that it’s either that skater is overscored or Yuzu is underscored . (I admit I am biased.)

 

[gsyzf]

About the world record, I think judges will only give the new world record to some perfect or close to perfect performance like Yuzuru's Parisian Walkway and Patrick's long program in TEB. With a fall they will not give you the record unless you have some very much higher TES and they can do nothing to keep it.

Yuzu did have a much higher BV and TES. I think it’s mainly because it’s the post Olympic season, scores are not as inflated as the Olympic season. Also, due to his consecutive poor performances in the grand prix, he did not receive very generous judging. I think if he skated the same performance in the Olympic Season, and with the reputation of an Olympic Champion, he would’ve broken the world record, even with a fall. I don’t think the judges had the time to calculate in their head whether they should score a particular performance to be less than the world record.

 

[alia jackson]

^^^ that unfortunate CoC collision

O Romeo, Romeo....where are you Romeo?

 

[Meoima]

I think this problem occurs because judges are too generous in giving out +GOEs (to reputable skaters). The judges check the GOE bullets too easily. Then an ok jump checks 5 bullets, whereas a better jump may only check 3 bullets (even though each of the three qualities is much better than the qualities of the ok jump). If the judges are equally harsh to all skaters, perhaps the ok jump will only check 1 or 2 bullets, and the better jump still checks 3 bullets, so the better jump will score higher GOEs. I think that if a higher quality jump ends up with a lower GOEs than a lower quality jump, something is not right, most likely the judges are influenced by the skater’s reputation.

Just doing an estimate (the numbers used are probably overestimated). If you inflate the GOEs by a little bit on each element, you will end up with a 2-3 pt GOE gap in the SP. Together, with a little bit of inflated PCS, you will end up with 3-4pts reputation gap over the other skaters. In the FS, the reputation gap is probably double the size, so overall, the reputable skater has probably about 10pts reputation advantage over the rest of the field. This gives the reputable skater about 3 fall cushions. So if the skater makes multiple major mistakes and still wins, the win will be controversial. The judges should really try not to be influenced by a skater’s reputation. (I understand it’s inevitable because judges are also human, but they should try to minimize it.)

I actually think Yuzuru is the only skater that deserves to have a 3pt GOE gap in over his closest rival in the short program (when both he and his rivals skate well). Because he adds difficulty to each element and executes these elements with the highest quality. IMHO, I don’t think any other skater has this kind of technical skill to pull off this kind of lead. So if someone else gets comparable GOEs as him, or even higher GOEs than him when he skates well, I tend to think that it’s either that skater is overscored or Yuzu is underscored . (I admit I am biased.)

You're not biased. In fact I think you're one of the most fair poster here.
I agree with most thing you said. The Inflation is getting out of hand I don't want to believe in the scores anymore. Just focus on the skaters I like.
JSF has been promoting quality over quantity in Yuna's time, which I have no problem with as she has huge jumps and speed. Now they're rewarding tricks like tano, and some spin position that are not pleasing to the eyes at all... Those are trick, not purely skills.
But I guess we couldn't do anything about it.

 

[SuzyQ]

I found this very funny but I'm afraid this may be the case with me
So many people are complaining about it here over 3 pages.

http://matome.naver.jp/odai/2142234874197752501


ゆづ不足
別名「羽生不足」ともいう。正式名称は、羽生結弦不足症候群（Insufficient Hanyu Yuzuru Syndrome：IHYS（アイヒス））。人類の必須栄養素である羽生結弦が不足した状態およびそれによって引き起こされる各種症状を指す。具体的には、不眠、発作、焦燥感、動悸、幻覚、幻聴、体重の減少などの症状がみられる。男性よりも女性に多く発生することが特徴。

Yuzu Insufficiency, also known as Hanyu Insufficiency:

Official Name: Yuzuru Hanyu Deficiency Syndrome:
This is a state and various symptoms caused by insufficient Yuzuru Hanyu which is an essential nutrient for human beings.
Symptoms include insomnia, attacks, impatience, palpitation, hallucinations/illusion, auditory hallucinations and loss of weight. As its characteristic, it occurs more commonly among women than men.

一方、IHYSとは逆の羽生結弦過剰摂取症候群（Hanyu Yuzuru Overdose Syndrome：HYOS（ハイオス））も問題視されている。これは、羽生結弦の過剰摂取によって心身機能が著しく昂進することでもたらされる非定常的な心身症状を指す。最悪の場合、死（萌え死）に至るケースもある。

Meanwhile, Yuzuru Hanyu Overdose Syndrome is also regarded as a problem. This is an abnormal physical condition resulted from significant exaltation in the mind and body function caused by dosing Yuzuru Hanyu excessively. This, in the worst case, may have a risk of death (death with “moe”).

IHYS、HYOSともに、急性型と慢性型があり、急性は、世界選手権、NHK杯など、羽生結弦と接する機会が多かったあとに発症するのが一般的。通常、急性ゆづ不足が1か月程度続くと、罹患者の50％程度が慢性期に移行し、慢性化した場合完治は困難といわれる。

Both of the two syndromes have acute and chronic types. It is typical that the acute type develops after having frequent chances to contact with Yuzuru Hanyu, such as the Worlds, NHK Trophy, etc. Generally, when acute Yuzu insufficiency continues for about one month, approximately 50% of the patients develop into chronic phase, and once it turns chronic, it is difficult to cure completely.

発生の時期、契機はさまざまだが、世界選手権後など、イベントの谷間に発症・重症化するケースが多いことが確認されている。

The timing or trigger of occurrence varies, but it has been confirmed that there are lots of cases it occurs/aggravates between events, for example, after the Worlds.

現時点での有効な治療法は、適切なゆづの摂取以外にないとされている。しかしそれもあくまで対症療法であり、問題の根絶にはつながらない。他のスケーターを摂取するなどの代替治療もあるが、その場合は合併症を発症する可能性があり推奨されていない。

At present, it is described as there is no other effective treatment than dosing Yuzu appropriately. But this is just a symptomatic treatment and it will not lead to root out the problem. Dosing of other skaters may be an alternative treatment, but in that case, there is a risk to lead a complication and not recommended.



Don't you have any of the above symptoms ?

Sorry for the rough translation. As I'm not familiar with medical terms, I would appreciate if someone in the medical field would rewrite the above

 

[Eloyse]

O! I'm having a severe IHYSI miss him so much. In 2 weeks I'll have final exams for my spring semester, and in 3 weeks I'll see him. Now I'm more nervous for Yuzu's Worlds than for my own exams

 

[ahkeekee]

I love the comment about IHYS!! I am definitely one of the victims, I miss him so much, a picture of him would be enough to make me smile for a day

 

[SuzyQ]

This person's son will be a high school student from this April, and brought back homework for doing in the spring holidays before entering school.

Look at his English textbook !
Featuring Yuzuru ! :dance:

https://twitter.com/miemiedamama/status/573469449807732736

I guess his mom may be studying harder now

 

[Rissa]

I actually think Yuzuru is the only skater that deserves to have a 3pt GOE gap in over his closest rival in the short program (when both he and his rivals skate well). Because he adds difficulty to each element and executes these elements with the highest quality. IMHO, I don’t think any other skater has this kind of technical skill to pull off this kind of lead. So if someone else gets comparable GOEs as him, or even higher GOEs than him when he skates well, I tend to think that it’s either that skater is overscored or Yuzu is underscored . (I admit I am biased.)

If one wants everything to be strictly according to the rules, I suppose this might be bohtersome, but in case of Yuzuru if he deserves much higher GOEs than his rivals who have already received high GEOs, but cannot get the +5, judges will reward him in PCS instead, I think.

 

[Meoima]

If one wants everything to be strictly according to the rules, I suppose this might be bohtersome, but in case of Yuzuru if he deserves much higher GOEs than his rivals who have already received high GEOs, but cannot get the +5, judges will reward him in PCS instead, I think.

Well, maybe when ISU thought of criteria for GOE, they didn't expect skaters like Yuzuru and Han Yan to be real. Their 3A should be +5 GOE but the current rules don't allow it.

This person's son will be a high school student from this April, and brought back homework for doing in the spring holidays before entering school.
Look at his English textbook !
Featuring Yuzuru ! :dance:
https://twitter.com/miemiedamama/status/573469449807732736
I guess his mom may be studying harder now

Omg does this mean Yuzuru is in English Texbook for some high school students in Japan?

 

[Terrapin]

This person's son will be a high school student from this April, and brought back homework for doing in the spring holidays before entering school.

Look at his English textbook !
Featuring Yuzuru ! :dance:

https://twitter.com/miemiedamama/status/573469449807732736

I guess his mom may be studying harder now

Oh that's so great! I myself teach English in my country and did a whole sequence on the Olympics but focused on British athletes to keep things in context. However I would have loved doing an activity on Hanyu! (but then the pupils would have seen how overexcited I would have been on this particular topic )