Yuzuru Hanyu: 2015-16 Season

[Meoima]

Are you talking about that FS at NHK? It was called a 3T bc he really only did a 3T.
Haha I think some people might be expecting a lot from him because he is so good at thinking on his feet.

They think skaters are always sure of the number of rotations they do. I don't think so especially when they're nervous with competition pressure. They think that he could have scored higher by adding 3T after the 3Lz, but that's after the competition was over. I don't think he's so sure he could do so in that situation. It might lead to Zayak if his failed 4T were counted as an over rotated 3T.

 

[HJJ]

He could have gotten more points if he added 3T after the final 3lz don't you think? My friend said he should have done that but I disagree, because after the fall 4T I don't think he was sure about the calls he would get.

No, he would get less points. The points of 3lo-1lo-3s and 3lutz is 15.55 and the points of 3lo and 3lutz-3toe is 15.4. I didn't calculate 10% bonus here. So it was a good choice to add 1lo-3s combination to 3lo. If he hadn't landed a good 3lo, then he would have had another chance to make up at 3lutz.

He didn't pop his second 4toe, so I don't think he was worried about not rotating enough (getting called as 3t). I thought that the jump was fully rotated. I still have a doubt about that call.

 

[shiroKJ]

They think skaters are always sure of the number of rotations they do. I don't think so especially when they're nervous with competition pressure. They think that he could have scored higher by adding 3T after the 3Lz, but that's after the competition was over. I don't think he's so sure he could do so in that situation. It might lead to Zayak if his failed 4T were counted as an over rotated 3T.

Aside from the mathematical aspects of it, we have to consider other factors including: that was his last jump; that was a pretty rough skate; and his recent troubles with the 3lz3t combo. Those points and stamina issues could have deterred him from attempting the 3lz combo. He could have decided not to take the risk of falling on the last jump and honestly, that competition didn't really require him to go all out. What he did out there was more than enough for the gold and its always better to end the skate with a clean jump than with a fall.

 

[xibsuarz]

No, he would get less points. The points of 3lo-1lo-3s and 3lutz is 15.55 and the points of 3lo and 3lutz-3toe is 15.4. I didn't calculate 10% bonus here. So it was a good choice to add 1lo-3s combination to 3lo. If he hadn't landed a good 3lo, then he would have had another chance to make up at 3lutz.

He didn't pop his second 4toe, so I don't think he was worried about not rotating enough (getting called as 3t). I thought that the jump was fully rotated. I still have a doubt about that call.

I think Meioma meant doing both 3Lo1Lo3s and 3Lz3T. But then he would have lost his timing with the spins, and because it was expected that he would have a combo with his 4T since it was his second 4T, it would all have been nullified (3Lz3t) as it would have been considered his 4th combo, I think.

 

[HJJ]

I think Meioma meant doing both 3Lo1Lo3s and 3Lz3T. But then he would have lost his timing with the spins, and because it was expected that he would have a combo with his 4T since it was his second 4T, it would all have been nullified (3Lz3t) as it would have been considered his 4th combo, I think.

Then he would have too many combinations. Since he fell on the second 4t which was supposed to be a combination, he could do only one more combination jumps. I believe that's the rule. When I find that rule, I will repost it.

Add) You already said what I wrote. I didn't read the last part carefully.

 

[gsyzf]

Then he would have too many combinations. Since he fell on the second 4t which was supposed to be a combination, he could do only one more combination jumps. I believe that's the rule. When I find that rule, I will repost it.

Add) You already said what I wrote. I didn't read the last part carefully.

The rule has been changed. A repeated jump with no combo is not counted as a combo and receives only 70% of bv. Even if the 2nd 4t is counted as 3t, he still wouldn't zayak because he will be repeating 3t instead of 4t. I think the reason he didn't tag a 2t or 3t after 3lz is because there is a spin right after the 3lz. He will miss the timing if he adds a jump after 3lz. I'm actually surprised he did 3a2t instead of 3a3t. It didn't look like the 2t was planned because he usually jumps 2t with arms over his head. I guess the landing of the first 3a is probably not good enough for a 3t, so he could only add a 2t after 3a.

 

[HJJ]

The rule has been changed. A repeated jump with no combo is not counted as a combo and receives only 70% of bv. Even if the 2nd 4t is counted as 3t, he still wouldn't zayak because he will be repeating 3t instead of 4t. I think the reason he didn't tag a 2t or 3t after 3lz is because there is a spin right after the 3lz. He will miss the timing if he adds a jump after 3lz. I'm actually surprised he did 3a2t instead of 3a3t. It didn't look like the 2t was planned because he usually jumps 2t with arms over his head. I guess the landing of the first 3a is probably not good enough for a 3t, so he could only add a 2t after 3a.

Thank you for clarifying! I was confused since a failed repeated jump was counted as a combo sometime in the past. I was not sure. I agree that the 2t after first 3a was not planned because of the reason you said. I thought that his first 3a was landed too deep (I don't know it makes sense), so it looked hard for him to add 3toe. But I think if he had have more stamina, he might have pulled if off.

 

[kiches]

The rule has been changed. A repeated jump is not counted as a combo and receives only 70% of by. Even if the 2nd 4t is counted as 3t, he still wouldn't zayak because he will be repeating 3t instead of 3t. I think the reason he didn't tag a 2t or 3t after 3lz is because there is spin right after the 3lz. He will lose the timing if he adds a jump after 3lz. I'm actually surprised he did 3a2t instead of 3a3t. It didn't look like the 2t was planned because he usually jumps 2t with arms over his head. I guess the landing of thr first 3a is probably not good enough for a 3t and he could only add a 2t after 3a.

I was wondering the same about the 3A+2T. The last time I can remember he did the 2T without the arms over his head was during the Olympic FS which was a nervy performance. In my eyes the first 3A in the Autumn Classic FS seemed good enough to add the 3T at the end, but maybe he just had a moment where he didn't realize it would've been safe to do a 3T since he was worried the 4T might be downgraded (it was under rotated). I did initially think he did a 2T because he wasn't sure if his 4T would be downgraded, and that it was a split second decision.

At NHK in 2014 he did avoid zayaking after he turned the 4T into a 3T by not doing the second 3A and doing the 3Lz at the end. I always thought he made that decision in the split second too (injuries aside, I still think he could've landed the 3A-1Lo-3S) to single the axel so he could keep the 3Lz at the end. Points-wise it would've made more sense to keep the 3A-1Lo-3S and double the 3Lz instead, but he probably didn't realize it in the heat of the moment, even if he was thinking fast enough to realize that he was going to zayak if he continued as planned..

 

[firal]

Thanks everyone for the discussion regarding jumps and also posting those Lotte files pictures. Wow those pictures dare I say are some of his best ones, no?

 

[kelleigh]

Late for the party, have just been back home from Barrie!

I was a bit overwhelmed by the whole thing indeed as the crowd was just UNBELIEVABLE. When you saw those scenes like nearly catfights at 6 am for front row (sorry to say this but it's really quite hilarious), you knew Yuzuru is totally a mega star now.

Right back to the main point, I DIED for his FS. SEIMEI got everything to be the best program for Yuzuru. It's technically very sophisticated with gorgeous choreography and stsq. I believe the first sequence during the competition was a reduced version while Yuzuru intentionally skipped some details and saved energy for the rest of program. The most precious thing is that he connected to the music which gave him full sense to interpret this program.

IMO his FS costume looked nice when I saw it at the place, but I like the old version too. Both of them work well as they are for different occasions. I think the white color of show version would probably be too light under the lighting of competition, but I wish I can still see it for shows.

Just one more add-on, he's such a cute sweetheart. He's always smiled and greeted every single person included fans, staff and coaches. He's just LOVELY!!! (Forgive my fangirling please!)

 

[shiroKJ]

Late for the party, have just been back home from Barrie!

I'm glad you had a great time and enjoyed his new program!

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New motto for this season's UA " For further evolution!! "

And it looks like Sendai Rink is ready for Halloween

 

[Interspectator]

Late for the party, have just been back home from Barrie!

I was a bit overwhelmed by the whole thing indeed as the crowd was just UNBELIEVABLE. When you saw those scenes like nearly catfights at 6 am for front row (sorry to say this but it's really quite hilarious), you knew Yuzuru is totally a mega star now.

Right back to the main point, I DIED for his FS. SEIMEI got everything to be the best program for Yuzuru. It's technically very sophisticated with gorgeous choreography and stsq. I believe the first sequence during the competition was a reduced version while Yuzuru intentionally skipped some details and saved energy for the rest of program. The most precious thing is that he connected to the music which gave him full sense to interpret this program.

IMO his FS costume looked nice when I saw it at the place, but I like the old version too. Both of them work well as they are for different occasions. I think the white color of show version would probably be too light under the lighting of competition, but I wish I can still see it for shows.

Just one more add-on, he's such a cute sweetheart. He's always smiled and greeted every single person included fans, staff and coaches. He's just LOVELY!!! (Forgive my fangirling please!)

Thanks so much for your on-site report!

 

[Geo1]

Saw Yuzuru's new FS and FINALLY, I think this is the LP everyone was looking for. it's a great vehicle for him. Such a shame that he's going for 3 quads though, there's no need for that. He sets too high expectations for himself and can never live up to that, his performances could be much more.

"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp,
Or what's a heaven for?"
– Robert Browning

Yuzuru is aiming for 2018 PyeongChang Olympics. He is strong and he is stubborn and he will reach his goals.

 

[ranran]

Late for the party, have just been back home from Barrie!

I was a bit overwhelmed by the whole thing indeed as the crowd was just UNBELIEVABLE. When you saw those scenes like nearly catfights at 6 am for front row (sorry to say this but it's really quite hilarious), you knew Yuzuru is totally a mega star now.

Right back to the main point, I DIED for his FS. SEIMEI got everything to be the best program for Yuzuru. It's technically very sophisticated with gorgeous choreography and stsq. I believe the first sequence during the competition was a reduced version while Yuzuru intentionally skipped some details and saved energy for the rest of program. The most precious thing is that he connected to the music which gave him full sense to interpret this program.

IMO his FS costume looked nice when I saw it at the place, but I like the old version too. Both of them work well as they are for different occasions. I think the white color of show version would probably be too light under the lighting of competition, but I wish I can still see it for shows.

Just one more add-on, he's such a cute sweetheart. He's always smiled and greeted every single person included fans, staff and coaches. He's just LOVELY!!! (Forgive my fangirling please!)

Thank you for sharing your experience! You seems to have a blast! Streams don't do justice to the program so seeing live must be awesome!

 

[Geo1]

I was rewatching for the 100th time the edit of the clean program done with the two practice sessions and goodness, the 1st step sequence is so beautiful. especially the moment after 1:49min 1:49min when he does his kind of déboulés all tough and warrior-like and then reaches with his arm so beautifully. I nearly cried because it is so perfect, and he is so into it :') The bent-legs-then-extended-spread-eagle in between the two quads is also giving me life.

I sent an email to the Cricket Club with a link to this edited video asking that it be passed on to Brian and Yuzuru.

"I would really be obliged if you would pass on this email message to Brian Orser and Yuzuru Hanyu. They may have already seen this on YouTube, but it is a link to a video compiled by a fan (not me) by editing the two free skate practices at the 2015 Autumn Classic International. The result is a clean, perhaps perfect, SEIMEI performance. I understand that Yuzuru likes to study his successful jumps and performances and I thought that this would be useful to him. The step sequence leading into the second half of the program is mesmerizing in the practice. All of Yuzu's fans are raving about it."

I received the following email from Erin d'Eon, the skating coordinator at the Cricket Club:

"Thank you for forwarding the link to the video edit, and for your ongoing support of Yuzuru. This morning Brian Orser and I watched the video, and I have forwarded it to him so he will have the link and can show it to Yuzu. You are correct; he likes to have references to clean run-throughs and this is valuable early in the season."

For those of you who have not seen the edited video, it was created by Lunnap99 of this forum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvkCejzJQ6E

Lunnap99, if you're reading this, please rest assured that in my reply to Erin d'Eon I gave you full credit for creating this wonderful video. I was just the messenger.

 

[xibsuarz]

Btw, happy 1900 pages guys! Do you think we might reach 2000 by the GPF?

 

[daphenaxa]

I sent an email to the Cricket Club with a link to this edited video asking that it be passed on to Brian and Yuzuru.

"I would really be obliged if you would pass on this email message to Brian Orser and Yuzuru Hanyu. They may have already seen this on YouTube, but it is a link to a video compiled by a fan (not me) by editing the two free skate practices at the 2015 Autumn Classic International. The result is a clean, perhaps perfect, SEIMEI performance. I understand that Yuzuru likes to study his successful jumps and performances and I thought that this would be useful to him. The step sequence leading into the second half of the program is mesmerizing in the practice. All of Yuzu's fans are raving about it."

I received the following email from Erin d'Eon, the skating coordinator at the Cricket Club:

"Thank you for forwarding the link to the video edit, and for your ongoing support of Yuzuru. This morning Brian Orser and I watched the video, and I have forwarded it to him so he will have the link and can show it to Yuzu. You are correct; he likes to have references to clean run-throughs and this is valuable early in the season."

For those of you who have not seen the edited video, it was created by Lunnap99 of this forum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvkCejzJQ6E

Lunnap99, if you're reading this, please rest assured that in my reply to Erin d'Eon I gave you full credit for creating this wonderful video. I was just the messenger.

Omg THANK YOU for doing that!!! What a wonderful idea! I am sure Lunnap would appreciate (and freak out! lol) knowing that Yuzuru will see her/his edit. I hope it helps Yuzu and his team and I am very pleased that you passed on we loved the footwork sequence <3

 

[bibi1899]

OMG! Good Job Geo1 and Lunnap99. This is Just awesome!

 

[shiroKJ]

I sent an email to the Cricket Club with a link to this edited video asking that it be passed on to Brian and Yuzuru.

"I would really be obliged if you would pass on this email message to Brian Orser and Yuzuru Hanyu. They may have already seen this on YouTube, but it is a link to a video compiled by a fan (not me) by editing the two free skate practices at the 2015 Autumn Classic International. The result is a clean, perhaps perfect, SEIMEI performance. I understand that Yuzuru likes to study his successful jumps and performances and I thought that this would be useful to him. The step sequence leading into the second half of the program is mesmerizing in the practice. All of Yuzu's fans are raving about it."

I received the following email from Erin d'Eon, the skating coordinator at the Cricket Club:

"Thank you for forwarding the link to the video edit, and for your ongoing support of Yuzuru. This morning Brian Orser and I watched the video, and I have forwarded it to him so he will have the link and can show it to Yuzu. You are correct; he likes to have references to clean run-throughs and this is valuable early in the season."

For those of you who have not seen the edited video, it was created by Lunnap99 of this forum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvkCejzJQ6E

Lunnap99, if you're reading this, please rest assured that in my reply to Erin d'Eon I gave you full credit for creating this wonderful video. I was just the messenger.

Wow, that's amazing you guys! I'm sure Yuzuru and his team appreciates it! Thanks

Btw, happy 1900 pages guys! Do you think we might reach 2000 by the GPF?

I'm sure we will

 

[TuTU9678]

I sent an email to the Cricket Club with a link to this edited video asking that it be passed on to Brian and Yuzuru.

"I would really be obliged if you would pass on this email message to Brian Orser and Yuzuru Hanyu. They may have already seen this on YouTube, but it is a link to a video compiled by a fan (not me) by editing the two free skate practices at the 2015 Autumn Classic International. The result is a clean, perhaps perfect, SEIMEI performance. I understand that Yuzuru likes to study his successful jumps and performances and I thought that this would be useful to him. The step sequence leading into the second half of the program is mesmerizing in the practice. All of Yuzu's fans are raving about it."

I received the following email from Erin d'Eon, the skating coordinator at the Cricket Club:

"Thank you for forwarding the link to the video edit, and for your ongoing support of Yuzuru. This morning Brian Orser and I watched the video, and I have forwarded it to him so he will have the link and can show it to Yuzu. You are correct; he likes to have references to clean run-throughs and this is valuable early in the season."

For those of you who have not seen the edited video, it was created by Lunnap99 of this forum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvkCejzJQ6E

Lunnap99, if you're reading this, please rest assured that in my reply to Erin d'Eon I gave you full credit for creating this wonderful video. I was just the messenger.

Awwwww that's too sweet and thoughtful of you Geo1! And thank you Lunnap99 for creating this video which will actually be helping Yuzu!
Since Yuzu might be watching this video, it just came across my mind, wouldn't it be nice if people can leave some comments on youtube showing our love for this program (and for Yuzu himself)?