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Yuzuru Hanyu: 2015-16 Season

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I'd actually love to see Hanyu go back and work with Wilson for a SP now that he's matured in countless ways. I think the SP provides more room for artistic risk and David's produced some of my favorite SPs ever, including many of Kim's as well as Takahashi's In the Garden of Souls. :yes:
I don't want Yuzuru go back and work on SP with David Wilson. I don't think David can create a great SP for Yuzuru. I never questioned Yuzuru's musicality. I assumed that perhaps Yuzu finds a different way to emphasize the music- the one that maybe does not fit David's understanding of how things should be done from his viewpoint. What I love about those programs is how Yuzu skated both, I love his skating and presentation in general, I love the way he moves and also I loved the way that music was cut and put into a piece. I know that some fans of that music were terrifyed at how the music pieces were sliced together but it was not a problem for me.
 
Another problem is that Wilson's programs were too mature for Yuzuru at that time.
Really? My problem with David's choreo for Yuzuru is simple: he did not develop Yuzuru as a performer and as an artist. His lyrical style perhaps was there since he was young novice and he truly capitalized on it in R&J 1, which was created by Nanami Abe and then polished by great Russians. I pay a huge respect to Jeff Buttle for awakening a new side in Yuzu, even though he had rockstar quality programs prior to PW- that program was much more mature and fit Yuzu as a glove. And it helped him to come out from his shy shall as a daring performer. Look what Samohin does rn- he's daring, he performs and he wins. Boyang is still a shy guy but if he finds himself a great choreographer who knows who would lead the Oly's gold predictions in a season or so?
It does not matter to me who can skate Yuzu's programs. I generally hate copycats. Not really a fan of any tributes especially if the program is one of my top favs of all times. I have different viewpoint on what's iconic but I don't feel like discussing the issue cause tastes differ.
I would like to see a LP created by Jeff Buttle for Yuzuru. But maybe it never happens. I think if anything I would like to see at least one program from a new choreographer if Yuzuru believes it is worth trying and risking.
 
Personally I will be happy if he'll work with different choreographers, also I want to see LP by Jeff.(but not Lori pls pls pls) About new sp: I remember Orser mentioning something new and rhythmic for Yuzuru in summer when he was in Japan, then they kept Chopin, so maybe they already have something in mind.

As for Boyang getting better choreo, I think only great choreo doesn't help , he needs the overall quality to be improved first: SS, spins and even jumps , especially 4S 3A and his T also not the best quality.When he lands all jumps he messes spins or loses quality of skating Overall he needs to get every single technical element with better quality and good choreo as well (I am sure he will improve , he has great potential )
 
Really? Yuzu doesn't seem like the gloating type and pointing out (literally) how awesome he is as he leaves the ice definitely counts.

He indulges in a short gloating session when he does an absolutely perfect program in the SP or LP (so not very often).
Then he's all bowing to everyone and thanking coach and audience etc.
 
Really? My problem with David's choreo for Yuzuru is simple: he did not develop Yuzuru as a performer and as an artist. His lyrical style perhaps was there since he was young novice and he truly capitalized on it in R&J 1, which was created by Nanami Abe and then polished by great Russians. I pay a huge respect to Jeff Buttle for awakening a new side in Yuzu, even though he had rockstar quality programs prior to PW- that program was much more mature and fit Yuzu as a glove. And it helped him to come out from his shy shall as a daring performer. Look what Samohin does rn- he's daring, he performs and he wins. Boyang is still a shy guy but if he finds himself a great choreographer who knows who would lead the Oly's gold predictions in a season or so?
It does not matter to me who can skate Yuzu's programs. I generally hate copycats. Not really a fan of any tributes especially if the program is one of my top favs of all times. I have different viewpoint on what's iconic but I don't feel like discussing the issue cause tastes differ.
I would like to see a LP created by Jeff Buttle for Yuzuru. But maybe it never happens. I think if anything I would like to see at least one program from a new choreographer if Yuzuru believes it is worth trying and risking.

Yuzu's NDP Ex at TEB in 2013 was a lot better than his NDP performances in 2012-2013 season. People matures when they age. I believe the problem he couldn't perform NDP very well in 2012 was because he wasn't that mature in the previous season to understand NDP. He couldn't give a "mature" interpretation that the program requires. If the only reason he didn't perform NDP well was because the program was bad, then we should see no improvement in his performance of the same program 1 year later. It should look just as bad whenever he skates to that program. Most people's impression of a performance depends on the execution of the program, (unless they are die-hard fans of the skater who love anything the skater does). (That's why PCS rises when TES rises. Samohin only gets ok PCS when he lands his jumps.)
 
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Yuzu's NDP Ex at TEB in 2013 was a lot better than his NDP performances in 2012-2013 season. People matures when they age. I believe the problem he couldn't perform NDP very well in 2012 was because he wasn't that mature in the previous season to understand NDP. If the only reason he didn't perform NDP well was because the program was bad, then we should see no improvement in his performance of the same program 1 year later. It should look just as bad whenever he skates to that program. Most people's impression of a performance depends on the execution of the program. (That's why PCS rises when TES rises.)
I think he also wasn't phisically ready to do that program so he couldn't focus much on the artistic side.
 
I think he also wasn't phisically ready to do that program so he couldn't focus much on the artistic side.

I agree. Yuzu has been artistically excellent since his Jr years and can interoperate well a wide range of music. His issue was always stamina. Back then, he just doesn't have enough physical strength to power through an entire program.
 
I think he also wasn't phisically ready to do that program so he couldn't focus much on the artistic side.

Exactly. If he can't execute the tech, there will be no performance. The thing is, he doesn't take big risk in the SP because he knows if he bombs the SP, he will be out of medal contention. So he only does jumps he is very good at in the SP. He does his SP well most of the time. But he crams a lot of content in the LP (a lot more than other skaters) because he needs a high LP score to win the competition. He is rarely clean in his LP or executes his LP with exceptional quality from the beginning to the end. So he will have much less energy to perform. Also, a flawed performance gives a worse impression than a perfect performance.
 
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Yes, if we compare this year performances we can see how he doesn't end completely burned out, he is stronger so he can focus on the technical side also giving more importance to the artistic. It's not the only reason to his "failure" with Wilson's programs but it was a part of the problem. Even with older programs when he did managed to give great interpretation (iconic R&J 1) he still lacked energy.
 
He indulges in a short gloating session when he does an absolutely perfect program in the SP or LP (so not very often).
Then he's all bowing to everyone and thanking coach and audience etc.

…cough cough… 17 yo fearless Romeo did the number 1 gesture at his World debut and while he did it his dark eyes were throwing out fire and
lightenings :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0RBtPX2bLI
the gesture is at 5:30 , the slow motion at 8:4
this reaction from such a young person is a bit unusual, but it told a lot about Yuzu.

About NDDP , in his first interview as Yuzu’coach , Orser said he had to explain Wilson who Yuzuru Hanyu was.
I think the choreographer has to catch a skater’s pure essence and to tailor the choreo consequently , each skater is unique and it's a very hard job , it seems this process in Wilson’s case didn’t start , probably from the very beginning.
 
That's how you write an article when you can't get an interview from Yuzuru. Hersh must be a fan uncle. :laugh:


Yuzuru is very straight foward. Everything is written on his face. It might be the cultural difference that made westerners find him mysterious.

I guess by saying Yuzu is a "mystery", Brian is implying that he doesn't know Yuzu very well outside of skating. :laugh:
 
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