Yuzuru Hanyu: 2015-16 Season

[Iceskater12356]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=APcdcvZYyKQ

Here's the link to a video I just uploaded of Yuzu getting his small medal Saturday evening!

 

[liv]

One day I hope that both yuzu and javi are clean at the same competition. I hope it is at the olympics. I have no worries who would come out on top.

Once again, based on an article, everyone worries that yuzu is not a priority and maybe brian favours javi....
The important thing is how the skaters feel brian treats them, everyday in practice, behind the scenes at competitions where we do not know what is going on, etc.. people can critique what he says to media, interpret his actions as they will, but only they know what they talk about together. If there are issues they will discuss it without telling everyone. I just hope they are all ok and it certainly looks that way.

 

[Robin83101]

I don't like his coach behaviour either,i think yuzu needs more attention and comfort but i'm sure Yuzu will leave him if he's not satisfied, we have to trust in his decisions.. let's see what happens.

Brian's quote in the Toronto Sun saying Javi's FS was the best of all time is cringeworthy to me, knowing that he is coaching both Yuzuru and Javi. It seems to me that Brian could have found a way to praise Javi without so obviously slighting Yuzuru. (However wonderful it was I dont think Javi's FS is a new world record). All in all Brian seems to be closer to Javi, who is with him more. Javi's development is clearly a huge source of pride to Brian. Javi's big improvement last year occurred during the winter months when Yuzuru stayed in Japan. Javi presumably received Brian's undivided attention during that period. I'm sure the situation with Brian coaching both Yuzuru and Javi is getting more and more uncomfortable, no matter what they all say publicly. However, Yuzuru's options seem pretty limited. It would be a huge disruption to move to a new coach at this point so close to the 2018 Olympics. I'm hoping that Yuzuru's decision to go to Toronto right after Worlds instead of back to Japan signals a conscious commitment to their relationship from both him and Brian. Yuzuru is a rare talent. It would be criminal not to give him the attention he deserves. Not that it is any of my business or that I have any real knowledge of the situation as a fan!

 

[hamaguri]

One day I hope that both yuzu and javi are clean at the same competition. I hope it is at the olympics. I have no worries who would come out on top.

Once again, based on an article, everyone worries that yuzu is not a priority and maybe brian favours javi....
The important thing is how the skaters feel brian treats them, everyday in practice, behind the scenes at competitions where we do not know what is going on, etc.. people can critique what he says to media, interpret his actions as they will, but only they know what they talk about together. If there are issues they will discuss it without telling everyone. I just hope they are all ok and it certainly looks that way.

One thing, we don’t worry about Brian’s favor or priority about Javi. If he does, it’s reasonable considering the situation.
But what’s apparent is he left yuzu although yuzu was difficult and he knew it. That's also certain.

 

[liv]

Yeah, javi is almost always in Toronto, barring holidays, shows, etc.. of course brian knows him better... it doesn't hurt that they have similar skating styles either. And you could tell how hard it was for brian not to see yuzu last winter, even if we all know it could not be helped. It is always nice to be needed and sometimes maybe he does not feel as needed by yuzu, judging by how often he stays away. And, you never know... maybe a small part of brian thinks that yuzu will leave him, since he does not appear to need him so much. He was hurt when yuna left, it would be worse with yuzu. Who knows. It is now the off season, let the psychological analysis begin, but I will say no more about that since it does no one any good.

 

[hamaguri]

However, Yuzuru's options seem pretty limited. It would be a huge disruption to move to a new coach at this point so close to the 2018 Olympics. I'm hoping that Yuzuru's decision to go to Toronto right after Worlds instead of back to Japan signals a conscious commitment to their relationship from both him and Brian. Yuzuru is a rare talent. It would be criminal not to give him the attention he deserves. Not that it is any of my business or that I have any real knowledge of the situation as a fan!

Yeah, of course I’ll follow his decision, but actually, that he doesn’t have so many options is also true…Most of all he can do is going back to Toronto…

Now there seems any distance between them. If going back to Toronto may be a good signal, it’s welcomed. I really hope they have enough time to discuss the future, practice, schedule… etc.

 

[xibsuarz]

I think Brian is just praising a student who did very well. Remember at NHK, how he said that, if the WR were to be broken again, it would only be by Yuzu himself? Last year he openly said he considered Javier no. 2 in the world behind Yuzu. It kinda goes both ways, it doesn't necessarily mean he's a bad coach or that he favors one over the other. They are very different, and so he has different relationships with both of them.

When Yuzu moved to Canada, he said he would go anywhere for his skating. It's hard to be away from home, training with people who don't speak your language, going back and forth between countries. It's a sacrifice. If Yuzu didn't feel like this method had a significant, positive impact on his skating and his career, why keep making that sacrifice? For 4 years already? His skating and his goals are the reason why he's doing it in the first place.

 

[Esopian]

I feel like there's always many sides to a situation and this one is debatable, but not something to look too deeply into because it's their coach-to-student relationship.

We as viewers and fans only see what's stated/happens in public and not further than that, so maybe the slight uncomfort is only felt by people over-thinking things. No one is perfect and everyone is human, thus Brian is bound to favour one skater over the other from time to time and say things that we interpret as not favourable to Yuzu. Not every teacher-student relationship goes smoothly the entire way and both parties learn from what works and what doesn't work. Let's not over think things at the moment because judging by how good Brian and Yuzuru's relationship already is (with what they accomplished together so far), I think they'll overcome this slight bump on the road learnt from Worlds 2016.

 

[ysy94]

Interview with Brian Orser after Javier Fernandez's free skate at worlds:

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/04/02/brian-orser-on-top-of-figure-skating-world

“A lot of people are saying (Friday’s performance) was the best free program they’ve seen in the history of figure skating,” a still beaming Orser said of the gold-medal clincher on Friday. “And I agree.”

What about Yuzuru's free programs at NHK Trophy and the Grand Prix Final?

Whether it's true or not, I don't think that is a very considerate thing to say for a coach in his position. Especially when his other star student, Yuzu, is feeling emotionally fragile.

He could have said something to the effect of, "A lot of people are saying (Friday's performance) was the best free program they've seen in the history of figure skating. I also think it was one of the best free program in the history of figure skating, along with Yuzuru's free programs at NHK Trophy and the Grand Prix Final.'

I've always liked Brian Orser, but I was disappointed and disturbed when I read this.

First Orser work for money, Im totally ok with his PR himself. Second I do think he is little bias although he said no, and its not our job to judge here.
But Orser should watch his mounth, he shouldnt hurt his sensitive student. His mounth was end badly with Yuna in 2010, so he should think carefully when he say.

 

[michael rene]

It's true that we don't know anything firsthand about the personal or coaching dynamics at TCC, but like some of you, I'd say there are some red flags emerging. Orser's recent statements to the press, not just about that "greatest performance of all time" (really, how insensitive can you get?) but also about how similar he is to Javier, how they understand each other, while apparently Yuzuru is still a mystery...and Orser and Javier plan to assist at each other's training camps in Spain and Canada this summer. Some of his behavior at Worlds seemed questionable, too. I just hope Yuzu is getting the emotional understanding that he needs, whether it's at TCC or elsewhere (back in Japan, maybe), and of course TCC might be the best option available. We'll have to trust his decisions.

 

[Silvia451]

I'm not surprised with what Brian said. He did the same with Yuzu at GPF. I mean, in Barcelona Javi was at home and I'm sure he would have loved to win and he felt a little bit sad and disappointed (but still, friendship and class won and he had a lovely attitude. Like Yuzu here.)
And Brian always does this...he is always happier for the one who does well (NO MATTER if he's Yuzu or Javi) rather than sad for the one who doesn't. I don't think I can blame him for this.

However, the situation is very delicate. Of course now I hope Yuzu isn't even more affected about the declaration. The thing is, we don't know for real the relationship with Brian and Javi and the other people he trains with and sees so often. Maybe he doesn't find Brian's words odd. Or maybe he does. We can't know. The point is that in this situation there's no other thing we should take in consideration but HOW YUZU FEELS. If he's fine with training and sharing coach with the one who won 2 world titles he wanted so much, it's ok. If he's fine with his coach saying the performance he lost to is the best ever, it's ok. If he puts friendship with Javi and feeling good in Brian's team above other things, it's ok.
I remember who people blamesd Pogorilaya's coach for being to insensitive and so on and after Russian nationals Anna hugged her and cried in her arms a lot and showed they have a really strong relationship and we only have access to a small part of everything.

I trust Yuzu, he's not a kid anymore, he knows what he wants and what's better for him. He knows how he feels and what to do. If he doesn't feel comfortable anymore with Brian, he'll leave. But this is only about him, not about what we see from the outside.

 

[giulia95]

what is that, could you elaborate for me?

sorry for the delayed replay, it took some time to find the messages among 1 million pages in Yuzu's thread

Cruzceleste posted the link to the article about JOC , actually the link doesn't work anymore. The translation is in my post #4915 page 328
if you google Joc money Yuzuru Hanyu you'll find other discussions about it. Hope it helps!

 

[michael rene]

Yes, I completely agree that it's about Yuzu's priorities and his feelings are paramount. I hope he's not stuck in a situation that's only partly satisfying, but even if it comes to that, he can figure out a way to negotiate around it...like maybe spending more time in Toronto. In a way, Javier seems more emotionally self-sufficient to me (he's older, for one thing), plus he and Brian are obviously close. Yuzu definitely needs a strong emotional connection to his team in order to thrive, so I really hope he has that.

 

[hamaguri]

Whom he praises is proverbly not so important. It's no wonder it changes from time to time considering his situation . I was just disappointed at his attitude towards yuzu at this competition. He neglected yuzu in his injury and took care of Javi mostly. He had the excuse that it was difficult to take care of both! Who has the right to dismiss someone’s effort until then? Brian knew yuzu's consition! Why didn't he take care of yuzu at that time? He could have done more but didnt. Further he is a genuine coach of yuzu. what he did is just not allowed.

 

[Sorrento]

Whom Brian praises is not important. It's no wonder it changes from time to time . I was just disappointed at his attitude towards yuzu at this competition. He neglected yuzu in his injury and took care of Javi mostly. Who has the right to dismiss someone’s effort until then? Brian knew yuzu's consition! Why didn't he take care of yuzu at that time? Further he is a genuine coach of yuzu. what he did is just not allowed.

You are wrong. That interview was about Worlds and about Javi. He did not have to refer to Yuzuru's WR competititons, he had already done that in time. He does not treat injuries because he is not a doctor. Yuzu had to stop training 4T- so Brian offered to focus on 4S instead. They did what they were able to do together. We don't know how much of his time was available to both of them during this competition. Javi gets more as long as he stays in Toronto, if Yuzu have chosen to be in Toronto for the certain amount of time in season- that is his choice, not Brian's.

Not to you personally- but guys you start to be offended by everything, this is not wright. Your feelings hurt because Yuzu lost gold. But he is still on podium, he did not bomb, why don't you understand it? Yuzu himself said that it is not always happens that the best wins the competition. It happens. Let it go. He is young, he will recover from his injury, adjust training methods and work on his mental condition. Life is a long road to go, there are so many lessons to learn, nothing ever comes easy even for the most lucky and gifted people. Don't panic and cry around him, cheer for him, show him your support and love. What he does on ice he does for all of us too. We have the occasion to witness a huge talent on his journey, be grateful. Let go of your bitterness. Try to be positive and trust him again. He is smart, he will get over it and win gold again.

 

[Sorrento]

Look, there's an article about Phiten socks that were done in collaboration with Yuzu. http://www.mylifenews.net/sports/2016/04/post-436.html There's the description of how they are created to let the customer have best support for physical training. Very interesting details in there. Could anyone translate that description part in the middle- I think it's most interesting.

 

[hamaguri]

You are wrong. That interview was about Worlds and about Javi. He did not have to refer to Yuzuru's WR competititons, he had already done that in time. He does not treat injuries because he is not a doctor. Yuzu had to stop training 4T- so Brian offered to focus on 4S instead. They did what they were able to do together. We don't know how much of his time was available to both of them during this competition. Javi gets more as long as he stays in Toronto, if Yuzu have chosen to be in Toronto for the certain amount of time in season- that is his choice, not Brian's.
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Thanks sorrent. I understand what you said. But one thing, Brian himself said after the competition, “yuzu was nervous since his official practice. It was difficult to take care of both two at the same time.” It’s no wonder someone who listen to think that Brian took care of Javi more at that time before FP? Further, yuzu was also injured and in the mess. Why Brian didn't something more to ease yuzu’s mind? It’s a role of a coarch?

 

[Lollols]

My opinion may not be relevant because I've been more of a lurker lately (But Hi again guys! and sorry for not being very active) But I've been reading you guys and really, with all due respect, Yuzu needs more of a positive vibe from his fans than negativity. I know the loss of gold was dissapointing but, to blame everything and look for excuses here and there, and there's a lot of bitterness... we should cool off and turn the page. The only one who will deal with this is himself, and at the end he did a good job and he doesn't have to prove anything to us, or anyone. He is a legend already and everyone recognizes that. This was HIS season even if he didn't won gold in WC, because he was the one who raised the bar, he made history breaking records and other athletes are striving to get close to him. Javi won this time, and it's normal for him to receive praise, because he deserves it too. I'm sure Yuzuru recognizes this and will keep fighting because he loves the challenge. I think we should be more proud than ever and give him time, he's young and he will not break easily. As I said before maybe It's not relevant for you but this is the thread I follow the most because I'm also his fan and I'm used to see more positivity around. I will try to participate more : And I'm waiting for next season surprises already! :agree:

 

[giulia95]

Please, is it possible not to use a paternalistic tone ?
We'll all here to support Yuzu in one of the most difficult moment of his skating life.
Personally my feelings hurt not because he lost gold, but because of the way he lost it and because of his actual situation. Thank you.

 

[hamaguri]

Look, there's an article about Phiten socks that were done in collaboration with Yuzu. http://www.mylifenews.net/sports/2016/04/post-436.html There's the description of how they are created to let the customer have best support for physical training. Very interesting details in there. Could anyone translate that description part in the middle- I think it's most interesting.

“Phiten has promised that they keep producing goods in accordance with hanyu’s request since their constract of December 2014. And this time, they gave new proposal about socks. That is the constitution where they take the arch-lift support newly as function for protect from the impact at landing.
Further, this “aqua titan socks earth model” has embroidery of Phiten’s P as well as hanyu’s silhouette!:luv17:

Phiten and hanyu keep fighting together for hanyu to get best performance on the rink.”

Summerizing this article, a bit tears came to my eyes. I realized yuzu is supported by such many people… Thanks, sorrent.